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1947 the Army Air Force has announced

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that applying there has been found and

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they're now in the possession of the

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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church on the game-changer Radio Network

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I need your help to get to the

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy church on the game-changing

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welcome

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fade to black this spoke radio for the

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yeah today's Tuesday June 26th 2018 177

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left we're live from a bunker somewhere

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in beautiful downtown Burbank California

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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planet I'm here Jimmy Church what is

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cracking everybody how you doin very

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excited about tonight's show

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because tonight very special guest Jason

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Louvre is back and tonight we're gonna

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talk technology all of it

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all of it we're gonna talk we're gonna

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talk Big Brother we're gonna talk

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artificial reality artificial

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cellphones networks we're gonna do it

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all tonight and how it controls you

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today and what we can expect in the

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future it's a very important show with

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one of the very best and brightest

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jasonlew okay now tomorrow night

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another big show because tomorrow night

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Tracy Garbett is here and we are going

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to introduce her to the world that's

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right Tracy Garbett tomorrow night

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the hohoho man just wait tomorrow night

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and then Thursday is another Fator night

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without Jon Rappoport and is no more

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fake newsroom live that's right John is

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back on the road he's doing stuff he's

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doing research that's what he's doing

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so he will be with this next Thursday

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but he won't be with us this Thursday

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which means a full night of open lines

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all night long okay now we have on

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friend me over at on stellar you can go

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on stellar dot-com and use my referral

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we have we have all of the on stellar

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simply should yeah on stellar said Jimmy

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turret radio calm do everything that you

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it's very simple hashtag f2 B is the

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sandbox where we hang out all night I'm

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just John that's a great picture so I'm

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going to retweet that and if you want to

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check out all the dancing gifts all the

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dancers and everything that everybody

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just head over to Twitter hashtag f2b

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you can follow me on twitter at Jay

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hashtag f2b q you can also email during

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radio.com breaking news and it is sad

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Toys R Us will end it's going out of

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business sale as it prepares to close

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every u.s. location officially this

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Friday that's right the remaining 200

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Toys R Us and Babies R Us stores will

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shut their doors this Friday June 29th

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many locations that have run out of

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stock have already shut down and many

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more are scheduled to close as early as

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midnight tonight the 70 year old

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franchise as either closed or sold its

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735 Us locations and that's sad I I know

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that eBay and Amazon and the Internet

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has a lot to do with this a lot of

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shopping online and I understand that

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and sometimes you know you need to you

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need to respond and embrace the internet

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if you want to be a brick-and-mortar you

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kind of got to do both these days I

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think Toys R Us was probably behind the

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ball but that has nothing to do with how

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I feel inside it it rips at me because

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all of us everybody listening to me

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right now has a Toys R Us memory and I I

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grew up just like everybody here I grew

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up from day one with Toys R Us and there

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was nothing like going to Toys R Us with

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your parents nothing like it nothing

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Legos right I mean I mean how cool was

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and toys-r-us and that's that's the part

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that I think we remember you know going

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to Toys R Us as a kid but then there's

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another part when you become a parent

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and you are able to take your children

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there you know from the time that they

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are able to walk and you can you know

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just go toy shopping and hanging out

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with your with your kids at Toys R Us

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there was nothing better than that

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because the same magic was there for

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them as it was for you and you know your

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kids words absolutely glowing inside

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just like you did when you were a kid

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and it's no more isn't that trippy and

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you know I know that a couple of

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investors and one big investor tried to

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step in and and purchase it and keep it

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alive it fell through

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sad sad Toys R Us right such as me if it

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hurts doesn't it that's where a

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government program needs to come in play

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right there that's when the government

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needs to step in alright there you need

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to keep that alive but Toys R Us is no

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mores of this Friday unbelievable and

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part of the media story Toys R Us

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open yep yep Canada everywhere all those

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it's just Toys R Us in the United States

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it's just like Jimmy remember Children's

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Palace on Shadeland I do I do remember

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to childrens bath lozad Shadeland that

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that's where Western Electric was when I

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Shadeland but anyway yeah children's

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Falla Sun Shade Lynette rocked man I

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loved my nap town people I loved my nap

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town people we've got to somehow get

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something going on in Indianapolis

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because I need to come back I need to

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come back to Indy here as soon as I can

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and come hang out with everybody miss

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nap town all right don't forget to sign

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up for our sole tech gathering I'm not

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too sure I haven't didn't believe it or

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not I didn't have the time to check this

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weekend I should have done it before the

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show today see how many tickets we have

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left

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we're running out I didn't get the big

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okay were sold out message yet but it's

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it's it's happening soon so go to Seoul

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to gathering calm and get sign-up it is

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August 9th through the 12th I want to

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let everybody know that a quarry good is

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going to be my special guest so he'll be

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hanging out Friday and Saturday we're

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gonna have speakers include james

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gilliland Jason quit Matthew Ryan

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Makayla Sheldon too resilient in Aris

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Holly Marie Mary Gabriel John lund Dana

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Harvey Billy Carson Laura Cantu and

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will all be teaching okay so this is

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this is a conference where we are going

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to do three straight days for four

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nights three three days of teaching okay

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we've got classrooms it's going to be

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nothing but right so that's what you

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want to do is get signed up right away

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the food is going to be amazing and the

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Nightwatch is that were the sky watch is

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that we're gonna do in the field of

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dreams each night Sunday night we are

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going to have a party we're gonna have

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food trucks that are coming in we're

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have music and fun and as well as some

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skywatching that'll be going down Sunday

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evening so we've got a great itinerary

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you can check everything out at a soul

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tech gathering dot-com this lineup of

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speakers and how we are doing it it's

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going to be different and I wanted to I

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wanted to create those memories for

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everybody that Rita and I got it's it's

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just a magical place

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II said II and it is such a an

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opportunity for everybody to not only to

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learn and to gather knowledge but to

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make friends because that's what we did

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there we we took a group picture up in

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East Eddy last year got everybody

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together as we were eating dinner I

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don't know a hundred or so people in

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this this pic because we were all

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friends it was cool and I didn't want to

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leave I didn't want to leave so that's

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what the goal was here for soul tech

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okay go and get signed up now soul tech

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gathering dot-com all the information

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that you need is right there and then a

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week later I'm going to be heading out

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August 17th through the 19th I'm heading

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out to Loveland Colorado for dimensions

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of disclosure with Corey good David

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over at dimensions of disclosure dot-com

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and while you're over at Jimmy Church

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radio calm don't forget FAO Schwarz yeah

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FAO Schwartz I went to well have I been

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to so many of Hayao short but the one

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that was in New York is it still there

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Manhattan how could they close that down

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or not where you're gonna get a private

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but I'll get caught up on on those over

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the last couple of days but to get a

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that famous fade to black here you get

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an autograph fade to black hat that is

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not for sale you can only get that fade

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to black hat if you become a game

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changer all right and you're also gonna

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get a t-shirt and you know I get people

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all the time I do hey man

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sell me a hat no no no no we we've laid

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down the law there and that's it you can

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only so when you see somebody wearing a

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fade to black hat there's only one way

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to get it and that's another fade or not

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right there

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so that's what you do you go up and go -

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dude I'm a fader not that's what you do

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that's what they're there for

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ok and you can get it right now go over

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section become a failure not let's get

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this show crackin right now happy

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birthday to today Chris O'Donnell is 48

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years old and he didn't make the cut for

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playing Robin in the Batman films and I

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know that's what you're thinking

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right now he made the cut because of

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scent of a woman yeah

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you probably didn't know that see I know

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these things and I share the knowledge

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it's really that simple

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hey John that's a really cool shot of

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now I just retweeted that there's that's

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John part of John's gear he's got all of

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it that's the new fade to black shirts

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right and there ah that's autographed

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he's got the autographed hat too as well

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that's the new when you renew your

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subscription you get this version of the

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shirt that's the new one that's really

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cool and yeah man

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pretty cool gear collection err John I

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understand history OTD 1956 one of the

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biggest days in the United States

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history because I'm in this day in 1956

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Congress approves the Federal Highway

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Act which allocates more than 30 billion

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ducks for the construction of 41,000

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miles of Interstate Highways that's

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right roadside attractions yep there

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wouldn't be any Cracker Barrell if it

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wasn't for the Federal Highway Act it

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was it was the largest public

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construction project in US history now

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what we had the courtroom scene sent him

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a woman that's really good this is the

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deal with that

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think about what it did not only to

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connect the country but to unite

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families the station wagons right

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driving summer vacations Christmas

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vacations driving across the country

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with six kids in the back of a station

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wagon without seatbelts thrown stuff out

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the back window that was those were the

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days and that's what happened on this

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day in 1956 now we got to do it all over

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again really it means to be another

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federal highway act and we just need

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new highways just rebuild them I wonder

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what it would cost

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today in US dollars in in today's

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dollars I wonder with that somebody

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posts that up or waffle houses yeah

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you're right about that

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IPD you're absolutely or pilots or what

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loves those truck stops so in u.s.

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dollars from 1956 to 2018 30 billion to

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do 41,000 miles back then what would it

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cost in today's dollars

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finally OTD before I was born

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so Karen did you did you tour did you

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vacation in the back of a station wagon

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without seat belts with your brothers

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and sisters man those for the day's

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unbelievable fader fact now this goes

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hand-in-hand with our show tonight I'm

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gonna talk to Jason about tonight's

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fader fact and also my rant which I've

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got to get to now but fader fact one in

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three children one in three children

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today can use a tablet before they can

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speak think about that yeah one in three

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tonight Jason Lube is here we're gonna

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talk technology all night long tomorrow

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night I'm introducing you to Tracy

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Garbett that will be tomorrow night

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Thursday night's another failure tonight

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open lines all night long Jon Rappoport

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is back on the road well here we go day

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right now my rant tonight needs a shot

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of this coffee I also miss hitting it

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being able to sit in the back of a

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pickup and having the wind blowing on

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you yeah you probably probably can't do

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that today that's in the chat room

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that's from Catalina in the chair

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can you do that can you ride around on

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the back of a pickup truck

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probably in the south anyway at least

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eight AT&T facilities across the United

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States provide the NSA with data

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essential to spy on Internet and phone

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traffic across the globe US according to

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the intercept and their report that was

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published today adding that the agency

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called AT&T a trusted siliceous partner

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for over 30 years Dallas pays

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multinational telecommunications

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conglomerate AT&T has provided us

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intelligence with private data of its

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customers through a specially designed

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surveillance program called

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Fairview after the first reports of the

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secret program Cerf is back in 2013 and

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I talked about it on this program

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following the revelations of

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whistleblower Edward Snowden the

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intercept has managed to identify at

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least eight AT&T sites that transmit

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billions of private messages chat

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history and phone calls to the US

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government now I'm quoting here AT&T is

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the only company involved in fairview

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which was first established in 1985

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according to NSA documents and involves

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tapping into international

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telecommunications cables routers and

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switches the publication said all of

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this after conducting a thorough

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investigation of public records secret

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NSA records and witness testimony

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now while other physical locations may

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be evolved in the fairview program the

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investigation identified 18 t's backbone

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and peering facilities in Atlanta

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Chicago Dallas Los Angeles New York San

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Francisco Seattle and Washington DC and

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all of them are hidden in plain sight

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in addition to ATT customers the US Jain

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also reportedly jeopardized the privacy

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of other telecom providers they use the

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companies

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service node routing complexes refer to

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as peering sites they include us-based

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telecommunications giant sprint and

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cognate communications in addition to

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Sweden's Thalia India's Tata

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Communications Tata and Italy's Telecom

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Italia Germany's Dutch telecom and now

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check this out with the internet

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originating back in the United States

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and 1970s in the global outreach of

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local tech companies major part of

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international data and communications

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traffic is currently routed through the

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u.s. America's geographical position

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that's right

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everything funnels through here now it

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also helps that the United States is

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smack dab in the middle of what well

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Europe the Middle East in Asia that's

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right everything runs through here now

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the NSA possesses vast legal powers to

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snoop on emails phone calls and other

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communications passing through the US as

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well as making American tech companies

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install surveillance Hardware in their

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networks and carrying out these

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activities the agency draws from

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executive order one two three three

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three which was introduced during Ronald

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Reagan's time in office back in the

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1980s it allowed the NSA to monitor all

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communications which originate and

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terminate in foreign countries but

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travel through the United States the

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eight nuclear blast resistant windowless

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facilities offer the NSA common backbone

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admission to raw user data that passes

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through the network which includes web

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browsing social media queries other

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forms of online and phone activity and

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in addition the US company has around

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nineteen thousand five hundred points of

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presence in 149 countries which helped

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the NSA monitor online activity again

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I'm gonna quote here the data exchanged

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between AT&T and other networks

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initially takes place outside

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tee's control at third-party data

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centers that are owned and operated by

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companies such as California's Equinox

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but the data is then routed in whole or

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in part through eight AT&T buildings

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where the NSA taps into all of it it's

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pretty crazy now I've got the addresses

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of all eight buildings I have personally

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seen - I've got the addresses for all

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eight and it's almost worth traveling

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the country to go look to walk inside

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how would you like to be able to now the

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AT&T Center in Manhattan it's a very

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famous building and I can guarantee it's

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very fake they use it for all kinds of

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things but I guarantee you you go up to

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that front door turn around look at the

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street you're gonna see snoops you're

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gonna see crazy cars you're gonna see

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people going in and out of that building

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that will scare the crap out of you real

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spies real spooks real snoops think

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about that at eight different cities

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across the United States every all of

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you know when you think about you know

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Dallas and in Manhattan and Los Angeles

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in Seattle right you think about these

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these points and that all of your data

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all of it all of it goes through those

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eight buildings every text it's crazy

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it's absolutely nuts I'll have more on

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this later on tonight and I'll be

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discussing this with Jason because we're

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gonna talk technology all night long

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this is fade to black

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our guest tonight is Jason Louvre

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tomorrow night Tracey kharbut is going

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to be here getting her introduction to

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the world and of course Thursday night

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fader night tonight Jason Lube is back

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with us I'm very excited about this show

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I discussed these subjects about not

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only technology and AR in AI in parallel

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worlds and and what Silicon Valley is is

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doing with all of that to help science

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prove some of these fantastical things

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that were only science fiction just a

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short while ago today at science fact

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well Jason is the author of eight books

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including John Dean the Empire of Angels

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generation hex and the psychic Bible and

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as a journalist has covered surveillance

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international trade and the dark side of

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technology for vice news Boeing Boeing

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futurist and strategist he has worked on

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Buzz Aldrin's international campaign to

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colonize Mars and Google's artificial

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intelligence program tonight we're gonna

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discuss how technology has taken over

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our lives how this tech will affect our

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future and what we can do to preserve

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our individual thought and actions big

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brother is watching and I would like to

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welcome watch like to watch Jason loov

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back to the program Jason good evening

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hey Jamie thanks for having me back on

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it's really good to hear your voice my

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friend and I don't know we're gonna

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start off here Jason I don't know if you

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caught my rant at the beginning of the

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show but every program every night I do

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a fader fact right and in that I try to

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bring something that is nearly

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unbelievable but vet

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and tonight's fader fact for you was

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this one in three children today can use

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a tablet before they learn to speak now

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if that isn't an indication of thing I'm

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speechless about that days is that

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unbelievable

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that's when in in a weird way it doesn't

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surprise me

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it is a frightening of a fact as I can

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present but it doesn't surprise me I'm

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sure that you're you're thinking things

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right now what what goes through your

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head when you hear something like that

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I'm just wondering if they can learn how

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to order on Amazon Prime before they can

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speak run up their parents credit card

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tab I did a story it was about I don't

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know maybe six months a year ago it's

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this mom it's just getting this crazy

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stuff delivered to her house right it

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was like weird stuff then it turned out

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her four-year-old son was ordering off

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of Amazon and got her credit card right

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and and was just the stuff that he was

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seeing I'm teeth just as you know these

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weird packages and and there you go yeah

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yeah I wouldn't doubt it I wonder if he

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could speak that's too funny well of

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course the first thing that I think of

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obviously is I wonder if people have

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done scientific studies on what that

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does to brain development I I don't

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think you know somebody who grows up

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living in the virtual world and

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interacting with tablets is not gonna

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develop the same way as somebody who

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grows up reading books or even just

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watching TV anything so I'm curious if

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there's any scientific literature on

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that that would be my first question and

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and talking about Google and their AI

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which we're gonna discuss later on in

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the program but back to children and

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tablets one of the big big moneymakers

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for YouTube

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is YouTube for kids right and where

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these parents are giving their kids a

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tablet putting that sucker on autoplay

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and letting it rip and these kids are

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just and they don't know the parents are

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in the other room or whatever doing

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their thing and whatever automated AI

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choices are coming up and you know what

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I'm talking about right Google yeah yeah

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of course the algorithm right of course

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I'm sure it's gonna be crazy stuff but

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then at the same time you have to I

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don't know I think about back to the 80s

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when you know when when kids were

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growing up before the eighties watching

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cartoons they were just at the mercy of

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the network so I don't know if it was

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that too much different and of course

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these things can seem sinister there are

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aspects of them which are phenomenally

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sinister but that's always been the case

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for new technologies and new

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technologies have always been resisted

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so for me as a futurist I feel that it's

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kind of part of my job to look at the

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dark side of Technology particularly now

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as we just walk openly and to the

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technological age and I think that

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people are more aware of that now

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particularly with the extent of the

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manipulation of facebook in the 2016

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election and that and that type of thing

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but I've also not a pessimist about

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technology I think the technology

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especially a lot of the new technologies

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coming down the pipeline or gonna be the

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best chance to solve our problems as a

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species I think that it's far more

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likely that we're gonna get fixes for

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things like environmental degradation or

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space travel from frankly from the tech

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world and from private industry then

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we're gonna get them from government so

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hopefully we'll get them from both

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working in tandem but you know I'm an

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optimist and pessimist about these

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things well back in 1995 you know which

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is a pretty pivotal year because of not

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only how the internet you know we're

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where he went from you know laptops

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started to surface we had PCMCIA modems

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right 14-4 modems and

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PCMCIA cards and an AOL floppy disk and

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a well CDs and and how that you know in

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nineteen right that was the arrow when

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it took fifty minutes to download one

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grainy scan of a Sports Illustrated

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you waited man and you waited you paid

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for it by the minute you waited but how

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innocent were we back then not only with

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us as individuals but corporations all

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the way from water treatment plants and

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electricity to food distribution and

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brick-and-mortar stores everything was

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different just 20 short years ago and

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the internet maybe where we go for

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entertainment and in our news today but

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it also runs the world in twenty short

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years everything has been integrated

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into the internet yeah absolutely and

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it's interesting you bring up you know

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twenty years ago we're certainly in the

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90s when the World Wide Web was first

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rolling out to the public

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there was the rhetoric that this is

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gonna create a global village this is

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gonna bring everyone together and that

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certainly happened but you know it's the

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village is like people running around

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throwing throwing Molotov cocktails

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houses burning down everyone's screaming

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you know random things in the street you

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know hate groups running around it's

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what we live in a connected world now

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but now we have to deal with the fact

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that we're all actually connected to

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each other and human beings are kind of

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terrifying so it's one of those be

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careful what you wish for things the

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that part of it which I'm fascinated

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with in that the innocence of AOL you

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know 1.0 1.1 1.2 in the activity of what

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was going on then versus today it's like

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00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:11,180
something was activated in our DNA that

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00:42:20,410 --> 00:42:14,540
was always there this fragmenting this

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00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:20,420
of you know us versus them and the the

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fighting and the infighting and

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00:42:29,090 --> 00:42:25,920
the verbage you know trolling is one

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thing but you could have two friends two

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friends go at it that may have never

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gone at it before and certainly not in

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public or when they're over at

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somebody's house for dinner but the

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Internet has has brought this out of

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everybody is it because like you just

817
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,320
said right you know people are just bad

818
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:47,520
do you know who's the big new Pierzynski

819
00:42:54,830 --> 00:42:50,970
is of course so just the boiler of

820
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:54,840
course for listeners so Brzezinski was I

821
00:42:58,700 --> 00:42:56,850
believe the foreign policy adviser to

822
00:43:03,700 --> 00:42:58,710
Jimmy Carter and also was a mentor to

823
00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:03,710
Barack Obama and was a a geopolitical

824
00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:05,940
strategist also the father of Michael

825
00:43:11,570 --> 00:43:09,660
Pierzynski in the 60s he wrote I believe

826
00:43:15,020 --> 00:43:11,580
his doctoral dissertation which was

827
00:43:17,060 --> 00:43:15,030
called between two worlds and he talks

828
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:17,070
about the effect that technology is

829
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:20,280
going to have for the world he talks

830
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:22,650
about that there's going to be a global

831
00:43:28,070 --> 00:43:26,220
brain and the technology will allow

832
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,080
people to think as one species but

833
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:29,760
there's also a famous line in there

834
00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:32,910
which I've used multiple times and in

835
00:43:37,070 --> 00:43:35,400
Thaksin and my writing where he says

836
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:37,080
that you know the instantaneous in

837
00:43:42,590 --> 00:43:39,900
electronic intermeshing of humanity will

838
00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:42,600
lead to strain social fabric and total

839
00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:45,750
social breakdown and he wrote that I

840
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:48,270
think in 1968 it's an incredibly

841
00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:51,450
prescient sentence the idea that

842
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:54,420
technology brings us all a little bit

843
00:43:58,730 --> 00:43:57,090
too close together and I think you're

844
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,740
right there is something and and I don't

845
00:44:02,060 --> 00:44:00,000
I don't know what it is but there is

846
00:44:04,460 --> 00:44:02,070
something inherently competitive about

847
00:44:06,620 --> 00:44:04,470
communications technology that was the

848
00:44:08,420 --> 00:44:06,630
case of the 90s even with Usenet with

849
00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:08,430
news groups there were these epic flame

850
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:09,990
wars that's that was the first time that

851
00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:12,660
started and of course when Facebook and

852
00:44:18,020 --> 00:44:14,520
social media brought that to the the

853
00:44:19,940 --> 00:44:18,030
masses that was part of it but looked I

854
00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:19,950
mean I'm not sure we can blame

855
00:44:24,980 --> 00:44:22,500
technology because combat is part of in

856
00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:24,990
war and an aggression is part of the

857
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:26,790
human experience you know it says dude

858
00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:28,710
there's been war on this planet every

859
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:30,270
year since the beginning of the human

860
00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:32,910
species right so it's we're just seeing

861
00:44:37,009 --> 00:44:35,030
ourselves in it and I think that as

862
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,019
particularly as

863
00:44:41,029 --> 00:44:39,359
Zuckerberg continues as Zuckerberg and

864
00:44:43,399 --> 00:44:41,039
gates continue their efforts to give the

865
00:44:45,409 --> 00:44:43,409
entire planet connected what we're

866
00:44:48,919 --> 00:44:45,419
seeing as more and more and more people

867
00:44:51,469 --> 00:44:48,929
coming online people who are have been

868
00:44:54,289 --> 00:44:51,479
underrepresented people who haven't had

869
00:44:55,789 --> 00:44:54,299
to say in the 90s in the mid-90s when

870
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,799
the internet first started the people

871
00:45:00,620 --> 00:44:57,119
who were just on the internet were

872
00:45:03,229 --> 00:45:00,630
California and hippies and you know acid

873
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:03,239
heads and people who were fascinated

874
00:45:07,609 --> 00:45:05,099
with the Liberatore potential of the

875
00:45:10,459 --> 00:45:07,619
technology and you know I love that

876
00:45:12,799 --> 00:45:10,469
those are my people but they're they

877
00:45:14,389 --> 00:45:12,809
were also to be fair projecting their

878
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:14,399
own wishful thinking about what they

879
00:45:18,709 --> 00:45:16,049
thought the Internet would be on to the

880
00:45:20,899 --> 00:45:18,719
Internet the reality has been that the

881
00:45:21,949 --> 00:45:20,909
Internet has allowed everything to come

882
00:45:25,339 --> 00:45:21,959
it you know it's just become another

883
00:45:26,479 --> 00:45:25,349
layer of the human experience and you

884
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:26,489
know I think one of the things we saw in

885
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:29,609
the Trump election is the ability of

886
00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:33,209
people who have been felt who have felt

887
00:45:38,919 --> 00:45:35,849
shut out of the media to use social

888
00:45:44,499 --> 00:45:38,929
media to manipulate the discourse

889
00:45:51,319 --> 00:45:47,719
blindsided the political establishment

890
00:45:53,269 --> 00:45:51,329
was by that so and I think that that's

891
00:45:54,759 --> 00:45:53,279
only going to accelerate because what

892
00:45:56,899 --> 00:45:54,769
we're gonna see happening now is

893
00:45:58,519 --> 00:45:56,909
everyone's gonna be on the Internet

894
00:46:01,069 --> 00:45:58,529
you know people in villages in the third

895
00:46:02,929 --> 00:46:01,079
world in Africa or India are gonna be on

896
00:46:04,699 --> 00:46:02,939
the internet with their with smartphones

897
00:46:07,099 --> 00:46:04,709
that they're gonna be charging off of

898
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,109
you know solar-powered you know solar

899
00:46:12,409 --> 00:46:09,599
dishes and that type of thing mm-hmm and

900
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:12,419
when that happens we have no conception

901
00:46:15,289 --> 00:46:13,649
of how that's going to change the

902
00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:15,299
Internet when the entire world is on

903
00:46:20,449 --> 00:46:16,619
Facebook and it's a couple billion

904
00:46:22,879 --> 00:46:20,459
already you know that that is going to

905
00:46:27,289 --> 00:46:22,889
you know reality is going to continue to

906
00:46:30,589 --> 00:46:27,299
fractal eyes and become and just break

907
00:46:33,649 --> 00:46:30,599
down in a sense but I also think you

908
00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:33,659
know in the 90s and in the 2000s the

909
00:46:39,529 --> 00:46:37,619
whole utopian idea was that humanity

910
00:46:41,509 --> 00:46:39,539
would be brought together and that's

911
00:46:43,129 --> 00:46:41,519
happening and so I have to keep that in

912
00:46:45,139 --> 00:46:43,139
mind and of course there's gonna be

913
00:46:46,669 --> 00:46:45,149
chaos at rocky bits along the road

914
00:46:48,139 --> 00:46:46,679
because people are messy there's you

915
00:46:49,879 --> 00:46:48,149
know there's nothing inherently good or

916
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:49,889
bad about people they're just chaotic

917
00:46:52,850 --> 00:46:50,850
and messy

918
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:52,860
so this is what the whole world being

919
00:46:59,660 --> 00:46:55,020
brought together looks like and we're

920
00:47:01,130 --> 00:46:59,670
gonna have to continue to learn how to

921
00:47:02,270 --> 00:47:01,140
interact with each other and learn how

922
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:02,280
to deal with each other and deal with

923
00:47:06,620 --> 00:47:04,890
people from radically different walks of

924
00:47:09,290 --> 00:47:06,630
life and the only thing that I'm

925
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:09,300
concerned about in that regard is the

926
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:12,000
algorithms themselves because the way

927
00:47:16,610 --> 00:47:13,440
that Facebook is constructed their

928
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:16,620
algorithms in Google it's that it's it's

929
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:19,770
to keep people in tunnels where they're

930
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:21,510
only seeing the information that they

931
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:23,510
want to see so in that sense that's the

932
00:47:27,110 --> 00:47:25,770
antithetical to the idea of bringing

933
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,120
everyone together I understand why

934
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:29,040
they've done it they have to do it for

935
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:30,990
to maintain a good user experience and

936
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:34,050
keep people on their site but yeah

937
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:36,690
that's going there's a lot of there's a

938
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:39,240
lot in play here well are we still on

939
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:41,370
the safe side when it comes to the

940
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:44,010
internet and technology and information

941
00:47:52,220 --> 00:47:46,050
are we still on the safe side of entropy

942
00:47:55,940 --> 00:47:52,230
in that is the internet going to end in

943
00:47:59,900 --> 00:47:55,950
chaos and break apart and and explode

944
00:48:02,780 --> 00:47:59,910
into little bitty pieces of nothing like

945
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:02,790
everything else I don't think so

946
00:48:08,570 --> 00:48:07,170
because what we're seeing now what we're

947
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:08,580
seeing now particularly as machine

948
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:11,970
learning becomes more advanced is and

949
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:15,900
big data is these technologies are

950
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:17,940
getting better and better at processing

951
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:20,310
and sorting gigantic amounts of

952
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,400
information and also as processor speed

953
00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:24,960
gets better with things like better and

954
00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:28,560
better graphics cards what we're gonna

955
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:32,270
start seeing within the next 10 years is

956
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:36,090
a eyes making sense and making structure

957
00:48:39,980 --> 00:48:37,980
out of the internet you know I think I

958
00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:39,990
think it's very clear that that's that's

959
00:48:44,090 --> 00:48:41,640
what's going to happen now of course

960
00:48:46,220 --> 00:48:44,100
those a eyes are very likely going to be

961
00:48:48,590 --> 00:48:46,230
in the control of all of the usual

962
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:48,600
suspects the the big tech players but

963
00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:50,010
they're all there will very likely also

964
00:48:54,830 --> 00:48:53,220
be ones created by individuals or small

965
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:54,840
groups or startups things like that

966
00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:56,310
there's gonna be thousands of a eyes

967
00:49:01,760 --> 00:48:58,980
running around the internet but what

968
00:49:03,740 --> 00:49:01,770
we're doing as a species is zooming out

969
00:49:04,740 --> 00:49:03,750
I think that's the best metaphor of it

970
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:04,750
if you think about

971
00:49:10,780 --> 00:49:07,369
you know like a like but also like

972
00:49:13,839 --> 00:49:10,790
through a fly's eye a fly lens you know

973
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:13,849
where a fly's eye has you know thousands

974
00:49:18,220 --> 00:49:16,400
of little hexagonal compartments but

975
00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:18,230
imagine that's your camera lens in your

976
00:49:21,819 --> 00:49:20,270
zooming out zooming out zooming out on

977
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:21,829
that and you're learning how to process

978
00:49:26,530 --> 00:49:24,410
more and more and more information all

979
00:49:29,530 --> 00:49:26,540
the time and that's been happening

980
00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:29,540
insanely quickly since while the whole

981
00:49:32,740 --> 00:49:31,190
of human history but particularly since

982
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,750
the dawn of the World Wide Web

983
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,880
when you think about when the web first

984
00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:36,400
started you think about Lycos and

985
00:49:39,940 --> 00:49:38,420
Geocities and stuff like that now we

986
00:49:43,289 --> 00:49:39,950
have a eyes and big data and machine

987
00:49:46,329 --> 00:49:43,299
learning and VR and all of this and

988
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:46,339
humanity is getting better and better at

989
00:49:49,539 --> 00:49:48,770
processing more and more information and

990
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,549
that's great

991
00:49:55,359 --> 00:49:51,200
one of the things that Timothy Leary

992
00:49:58,599 --> 00:49:55,369
said in the 80s is if you want to get

993
00:50:00,579 --> 00:49:58,609
more intelligent learn to consume more

994
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:00,589
and more information as much as possible

995
00:50:05,770 --> 00:50:03,410
and from more and more a few points that

996
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:05,780
you don't agree with that you normally

997
00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:09,049
wouldn't look into that's how human

998
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:11,030
beings get smarter and it's also how how

999
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,650
AI gets smarter it's how machine

1000
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:14,480
learning gets smarter by processing more

1001
00:50:19,809 --> 00:50:17,089
information so I'm an optimist I think

1002
00:50:21,730 --> 00:50:19,819
that we're we're I mean even a basic

1003
00:50:23,770 --> 00:50:21,740
example is look at something like at a

1004
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:23,780
very very basic level and this is now

1005
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:25,849
very old technology but look at

1006
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,710
something like read it you know read

1007
00:50:31,420 --> 00:50:29,119
it's been around for more than 10 years

1008
00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:31,430
but look at how the up voting system and

1009
00:50:37,059 --> 00:50:33,950
reddit has allowed people to better

1010
00:50:40,420 --> 00:50:37,069
process and sort good information from

1011
00:50:43,450 --> 00:50:40,430
bad you know if it's used correctly so

1012
00:50:47,140 --> 00:50:43,460
yeah the sort the sort happens for you

1013
00:50:49,180 --> 00:50:47,150
and that and and you know and especially

1014
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:49,190
the larger the number they're going to

1015
00:50:54,819 --> 00:50:52,010
be able to well discernment as part of

1016
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,829
it but the bad information is not going

1017
00:51:00,940 --> 00:50:56,960
to you know filter through its it's

1018
00:51:03,849 --> 00:51:00,950
going to get down voted and and the the

1019
00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:03,859
real stuff will tend to to come through

1020
00:51:09,970 --> 00:51:05,780
I agree with you there but there's

1021
00:51:13,690 --> 00:51:09,980
another part of it for me that I think

1022
00:51:16,089 --> 00:51:13,700
is and it's more biological that is even

1023
00:51:17,780 --> 00:51:16,099
more frightening is that we're using our

1024
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:17,790
brains less

1025
00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:21,300
okay we're depending on everything else

1026
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:24,030
to do the thinking for us so the

1027
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:26,610
exercise of the brain and the

1028
00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:29,310
development of the brain is starting to

1029
00:51:34,610 --> 00:51:31,230
go backwards and for the first time in

1030
00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:34,620
in history our brains are smaller today

1031
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:37,800
than they used to be physically and that

1032
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:39,480
just is that true yeah that's true

1033
00:51:43,930 --> 00:51:40,110
that's true

1034
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:43,940
yeah I don't I don't I don't disinfo

1035
00:51:49,100 --> 00:51:47,040
well but but what was the what was the

1036
00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:49,110
source of that and is that a causation

1037
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:51,870
and correlation or correlation yeah and

1038
00:51:56,900 --> 00:51:54,210
and and so in the white paper and I'll

1039
00:51:57,950 --> 00:51:56,910
send it to you okay so you can check it

1040
00:52:01,400 --> 00:51:57,960
out

1041
00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:01,410
it what it stated is this we exercised

1042
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:03,780
we exercised our right we remembered

1043
00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:05,970
numbers remembered faces remembered

1044
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:08,760
facts we remember conversations we we

1045
00:52:14,090 --> 00:52:11,250
didn't have the ability to have

1046
00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:14,100
everything else think for us today if

1047
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,270
you want to find a location for

1048
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:19,920
something you look it up you don't even

1049
00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:21,900
learn the directions the directions are

1050
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:25,500
given to you right or whatever it is you

1051
00:52:31,610 --> 00:52:28,890
go and and find the information you

1052
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:31,620
don't actually go and get it and store

1053
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:34,290
it and remember it it's all given to you

1054
00:52:39,980 --> 00:52:37,260
and it's that way across the board it's

1055
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:39,990
that way in school today everything is

1056
00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:42,450
taught everything is taught on a laptop

1057
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:45,960
or a tablet today I mean it's every

1058
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:48,510
student nobody today they don't even

1059
00:52:54,530 --> 00:52:52,050
teach writing in school you know that's

1060
00:52:58,810 --> 00:52:54,540
that's oh and when my daughter's went

1061
00:53:02,120 --> 00:52:58,820
through that they can barely write today

1062
00:53:03,770 --> 00:53:02,130
well you know and and so think about

1063
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:03,780
that so the development of the brain

1064
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:06,810
doesn't have to develop all right and

1065
00:53:12,050 --> 00:53:10,050
that's the other scary part here where

1066
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:12,060
are we going to be are we gonna plug

1067
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:14,460
into our brains in a hundred years right

1068
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:18,210
right I mean this touches on a broader

1069
00:53:22,340 --> 00:53:20,010
issue also which is the idea of

1070
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:22,350
automation which is particularly within

1071
00:53:26,530 --> 00:53:23,810
the next ten years

1072
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:26,540
most of what human beings have been

1073
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:31,290
necessary has been necessary to fulfill

1074
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:33,240
we'll be fulfilled by machines whether

1075
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:35,610
that's physical machines or algorithms

1076
00:53:42,260 --> 00:53:38,730
or a eyes I mean we're looking at at

1077
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:42,270
least 50% potentially as high as 80 or

1078
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:45,660
90% structural unemployment once AI

1079
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,910
really starts rolling out

1080
00:53:51,740 --> 00:53:49,680
I mean we're quickly getting into a

1081
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:51,750
future where humans just aren't gonna be

1082
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:54,530
necessary or at least that's the view of

1083
00:53:59,180 --> 00:53:56,850
certainly the view of you know the

1084
00:54:02,060 --> 00:53:59,190
people in power perhaps what do I do

1085
00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:02,070
with all the spare time what did we do

1086
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:03,960
with that did we just go to school

1087
00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:07,200
vacation or do we differ crochet yeah

1088
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:09,630
okay well my I mean here's my honest

1089
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,300
answer a lot of this is really the key

1090
00:54:17,780 --> 00:54:14,640
right because let's say okay best-case

1091
00:54:19,340 --> 00:54:17,790
scenario for this is that here's the

1092
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:19,350
best-case scenario and it's certainly

1093
00:54:24,260 --> 00:54:20,730
not the only way this could you know

1094
00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:24,270
best-case scenario is AI and automation

1095
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:26,520
yes causes this amount of structural

1096
00:54:33,650 --> 00:54:29,370
unemployment but we also get universal

1097
00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:33,660
basic income and at that point then well

1098
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:35,250
I mean let's look at this I mean this is

1099
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:37,500
what people have wanted for hundreds of

1100
00:54:40,940 --> 00:54:39,480
years nobody likes going to their job

1101
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:40,950
you know for the most part people don't

1102
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:42,930
like working nobody likes working in

1103
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,040
fields and things like that so and this

1104
00:54:51,020 --> 00:54:49,200
has been the promise of Technology since

1105
00:54:53,180 --> 00:54:51,030
you know certainly since the industrial

1106
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,190
era since the invention of the washing

1107
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:55,200
machine this type of thing so best-case

1108
00:55:00,830 --> 00:54:57,530
scenario you know in a perfect world

1109
00:55:03,830 --> 00:55:00,840
would be that you know human beings get

1110
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:03,840
to dedicate their time to artistic

1111
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:08,250
pursuits spirituality meditation all the

1112
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:10,890
finer parts of being alive socializing

1113
00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:12,510
interacting with their families and

1114
00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:14,700
their extended families forming social

1115
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:17,790
groups enjoying life I mean that would

1116
00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:20,730
be great that said that's such a

1117
00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:23,580
gigantic shock for Humanity to go into

1118
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:26,460
suddenly not having a role and we know

1119
00:55:32,660 --> 00:55:29,330
that when people feel like they're not

1120
00:55:34,310 --> 00:55:32,670
important and that we know that when

1121
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:34,320
people when meeting is taken away from

1122
00:55:38,450 --> 00:55:36,510
people their life no longer means

1123
00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:38,460
anything that that's kind of the worst

1124
00:55:41,780 --> 00:55:40,020
thing you can do to somebody it's

1125
00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:41,790
certainly worse than physical pain

1126
00:55:44,980 --> 00:55:43,710
she looks certainly worse than suffering

1127
00:55:47,630 --> 00:55:44,990
human beings can

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00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:47,640
rationalize and cope with almost any

1129
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:49,980
level of suffering as long as that it

1130
00:55:54,170 --> 00:55:52,140
means something to them and they can as

1131
00:55:56,359 --> 00:55:54,180
long as it's meaningful in the sense

1132
00:55:59,260 --> 00:55:56,369
that they can they have a story about

1133
00:56:01,609 --> 00:55:59,270
why it's happened and why it's necessary

1134
00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:01,619
human beings are very very good at

1135
00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:03,660
constructing meaning for themselves and

1136
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:05,400
for other people but if you take that

1137
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:07,380
away and then you say well you know

1138
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:10,680
humans are just biomass essentially you

1139
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:12,810
know my great fear is the 21st century

1140
00:56:18,589 --> 00:56:16,530
could be a century of rolling genocides

1141
00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:18,599
and if you're the worst beginning to see

1142
00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:22,140
the the start of it right now frankly

1143
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:23,220
with some of the things that are

1144
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:24,900
happening in America and happening at

1145
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:28,650
the border and also in Europe well you

1146
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,810
know there's a I've got to take a break

1147
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:32,160
here but there's another thought that

1148
00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:34,170
comes to mind with all of that you know

1149
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:36,270
so you get called into the boss's office

1150
00:56:42,740 --> 00:56:39,510
right okay you've been replaced by a

1151
00:56:45,470 --> 00:56:42,750
robot what the good news is you get to

1152
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,480
keep your money we're gonna keep hanging

1153
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:48,480
you but but you're free you can leave I

1154
00:56:54,589 --> 00:56:51,440
don't want to leave I like my job no

1155
00:56:57,050 --> 00:56:54,599
what am I gonna do go learn to paint I

1156
00:57:00,560 --> 00:56:57,060
don't want to learn the pain I like what

1157
00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:00,570
I do here what do you mean and you're

1158
00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:02,220
taking away just like you said

1159
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:05,700
somebody's you know meaning you know

1160
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:09,839
they enjoy and suddenly the other part

1161
00:57:16,339 --> 00:57:12,900
yeah okay spirituality meditation the

1162
00:57:18,770 --> 00:57:16,349
arts traveling seeing the world going

1163
00:57:21,770 --> 00:57:18,780
back to school learning you know that

1164
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:21,780
that will only last for so long but the

1165
00:57:31,550 --> 00:57:24,089
other part is it gives you more time to

1166
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:31,560
surf the net think about it it's pretty

1167
00:57:35,930 --> 00:57:33,690
bizarre now you brought up some numbers

1168
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:35,940
and I want to go back to this because

1169
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:37,290
we're gonna talk about this moment we

1170
00:57:45,820 --> 00:57:42,210
come back I did a report last month now

1171
00:57:50,540 --> 00:57:45,830
went and gathered all of the numbers for

1172
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:50,550
Facebook Google and YouTube the big

1173
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:54,510
three between the three of them they tap

1174
00:58:02,240 --> 00:57:58,410
into exactly half of the world's

1175
00:58:06,620 --> 00:58:02,250
halation half right half three and a

1176
00:58:10,339 --> 00:58:06,630
half billion people every single day I'm

1177
00:58:14,329 --> 00:58:10,349
this planet visit one of those three

1178
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:14,339
sites now and then while they are on one

1179
00:58:18,829 --> 00:58:15,930
of the three and a half billion right

1180
00:58:21,740 --> 00:58:18,839
and and and then they go through a cycle

1181
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:21,750
in that they're on Facebook they see a

1182
00:58:26,450 --> 00:58:24,000
video they click on that they go over to

1183
00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:26,460
YouTube it's already inside right of

1184
00:58:30,859 --> 00:58:28,950
Facebook they go over to YouTube they

1185
00:58:32,270 --> 00:58:30,869
watch a YouTube video they see something

1186
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:32,280
inside of the video they go and they

1187
00:58:37,579 --> 00:58:34,890
search that on Google Google gives them

1188
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,589
a video suggestion they go back to

1189
00:58:42,740 --> 00:58:39,599
YouTube and then go back to to Facebook

1190
00:58:47,529 --> 00:58:42,750
and wrap up the day it's it's the most

1191
00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:47,539
perfect ingenious cycle right this

1192
00:58:54,670 --> 00:58:50,910
money-making clicking machine and and

1193
00:58:58,819 --> 00:58:54,680
they have in a very short what and and

1194
00:59:01,849 --> 00:58:58,829
realistically speaking ten years in ten

1195
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:01,859
years and and they've done this and if

1196
00:59:06,769 --> 00:59:04,559
you go back 10 years ago and you look at

1197
00:59:08,990 --> 00:59:06,779
the search engines that were around that

1198
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,000
are now running at 1% of the Internet

1199
00:59:14,329 --> 00:59:12,000
today whereas you know Google is 80% and

1200
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:14,339
then go back to things like Mozilla you

1201
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:19,730
know being who uses Bing uses Bing

1202
00:59:25,220 --> 00:59:23,490
nobody it's a crazy numbers crunching

1203
00:59:28,849 --> 00:59:25,230
thing and they've got it down to the

1204
00:59:30,859 --> 00:59:28,859
piers of science right the other thing

1205
00:59:33,380 --> 00:59:30,869
also is that all that clicking is is

1206
00:59:36,170 --> 00:59:33,390
training is currently training the a

1207
00:59:39,260 --> 00:59:36,180
eyes of these big companies so it also

1208
00:59:40,670 --> 00:59:39,270
serves that function human beings anyone

1209
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:40,680
interacting with the internet right now

1210
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:43,490
whether it's Facebook Google your Amazon

1211
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:47,250
device anything like that and you know

1212
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:49,890
any time you're online your activity is

1213
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,529
helping to train machine learning for

1214
00:59:56,510 --> 00:59:54,240
these companies you're training they're

1215
00:59:58,849 --> 00:59:56,520
a eyes you know so we'll talk about that

1216
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,859
too yeah we'll talk about that when we

1217
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:00,960
come back this is fade to black I'm your

1218
01:00:05,980 --> 01:00:02,010
host Jimmy Church our guest tonight

1219
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:05,990
Jason Louvre and tonight we are talking

1220
01:00:10,220 --> 01:00:08,010
technology all of it we're gonna do a

1221
01:00:12,859 --> 01:00:10,230
our AI

1222
01:00:14,450 --> 01:00:12,869
how it controls you today and what is it

1223
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:14,460
going to do for you in the future you're

1224
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:15,930
gonna do all of that this is fade to

1225
01:00:20,060 --> 01:00:18,330
black I'm arrows Jimmy Church more

1226
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:20,070
chasing after this short break stay with

1227
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:20,930
us

1228
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,310
this is fade to black

1229
01:00:51,890 --> 01:00:48,240
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

1230
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:51,900
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hi this is Ray sobs here reppin the

1258
01:02:15,749 --> 01:02:12,789
planet and you're listening to my good

1259
01:02:18,329 --> 01:02:15,759
friend Jimmy Church fade to black

1260
01:02:22,890 --> 01:02:18,339
on the GameChanger network and the kgr a

1261
01:02:25,049 --> 01:02:22,900
digital broadcast station this is Toby

1262
01:02:45,569 --> 01:02:25,059
Kebbell you're listening to Jimmy Church

1263
01:02:47,069 --> 01:02:45,579
radio.com revolution this is Micah Hanks

1264
01:02:48,779 --> 01:02:47,079
of the graylien report and you're

1265
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:48,789
listening to Jimmy church on fade to

1266
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:50,410
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1267
01:02:55,450 --> 01:02:52,480
GameChanger radio network and the one

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and only kgr a radio the planet

1269
01:03:17,690 --> 01:03:15,310
[Music]

1270
01:03:19,460 --> 01:03:17,700
welcome back fade to black cover goes to

1271
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:19,470
me Church our guest tonight Jason Liu

1272
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:23,090
and we are talking tech all of it

1273
01:03:27,110 --> 01:03:24,570
tomorrow night

1274
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:27,120
Tracy Garbett gets into introduced to

1275
01:03:31,010 --> 01:03:28,410
the world you're not gonna want to miss

1276
01:03:33,470 --> 01:03:31,020
that show tomorrow night Thursday night

1277
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:33,480
will be open lines all night long and

1278
01:03:39,380 --> 01:03:36,960
you know Jason one of these nights one

1279
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:39,390
of these fader nights you're gonna come

1280
01:03:44,180 --> 01:03:41,520
in and man the phones with me I want you

1281
01:03:49,010 --> 01:03:44,190
to just just just hang out here and and

1282
01:03:51,350 --> 01:03:49,020
take phone calls I would love to have

1283
01:03:54,140 --> 01:03:51,360
you experience the interaction because

1284
01:03:57,110 --> 01:03:54,150
the questions will be just amazing I'm

1285
01:03:59,120 --> 01:03:57,120
doing my best tonight for the audience

1286
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:59,130
to get these in correctly but I think

1287
01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:01,280
that would be a very dynamic evening

1288
01:04:09,140 --> 01:04:05,310
imitation is open so I want to talk to

1289
01:04:11,660 --> 01:04:09,150
you about AI because a couple of weeks

1290
01:04:13,340 --> 01:04:11,670
ago I'm gonna give you the short version

1291
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:13,350
of the story a couple of weeks ago

1292
01:04:18,110 --> 01:04:15,720
something happened I then went public

1293
01:04:20,660 --> 01:04:18,120
with it I went straight over to coast to

1294
01:04:22,220 --> 01:04:20,670
coast am and and and and told the world

1295
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:22,230
about what happened I did it here I'm

1296
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:23,730
fade to black I wrote up an article

1297
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:25,650
about it and and published that too as

1298
01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:29,310
well and the reactions that I got from

1299
01:04:34,610 --> 01:04:32,700
everybody was astounding and this is

1300
01:04:36,350 --> 01:04:34,620
what happened in other words the

1301
01:04:38,030 --> 01:04:36,360
reaction was yeah it happened to me

1302
01:04:41,420 --> 01:04:38,040
today it happened to me yesterday and

1303
01:04:45,250 --> 01:04:41,430
this is what happened let me start off

1304
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:45,260
with Jason I am NOT a photography guy

1305
01:04:52,940 --> 01:04:49,290
okay I've got a camera on my iPhone

1306
01:04:55,460 --> 01:04:52,950
that's good enough okay I don't I don't

1307
01:04:57,470 --> 01:04:55,470
shop for cameras I'm not I'm not a

1308
01:04:59,480 --> 01:04:57,480
photography buff I don't have cameras

1309
01:05:01,940 --> 01:04:59,490
I've never clicked on anything on Amazon

1310
01:05:04,850 --> 01:05:01,950
I've never searched for it never done it

1311
01:05:06,290 --> 01:05:04,860
it's just not my gig I'm an audio guy

1312
01:05:08,660 --> 01:05:06,300
you and I talked about that earlier

1313
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:08,670
right I'm an audio guy okay so that

1314
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:13,050
being said a friend of mine buys some

1315
01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:16,410
very expensive camera gear video and

1316
01:05:21,860 --> 01:05:18,960
photography gear and some lenses and he

1317
01:05:25,870 --> 01:05:21,870
showed them to me a few weeks ago and

1318
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:25,880
then I was talking to my a V guy

1319
01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:28,970
briefly on the phone on a Saturday

1320
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:34,310
morning briefly told him about the gear

1321
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:37,090
you know it was a $10,000 body with a

1322
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:40,490
$10,000 lens and another $20,000 lens

1323
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:43,490
you know 4k thing and and and I had this

1324
01:05:50,350 --> 01:05:46,720
conversation the next day on Sunday

1325
01:05:52,810 --> 01:05:50,360
morning I get up and I'm checking the

1326
01:05:58,690 --> 01:05:52,820
news and you know how am I myself and

1327
01:06:00,730 --> 01:05:58,700
right there is an ad on the Internet

1328
01:06:05,590 --> 01:06:00,740
not on Facebook yet I didn't get there

1329
01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:05,600
for camera bodies and then and so that

1330
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:07,310
kind of tripped me out I stopped and I

1331
01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:10,730
thought why would that be there and then

1332
01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:12,980
I jump to another website and there is

1333
01:06:25,540 --> 01:06:22,910
an ad for a camera lens a lens whoa hold

1334
01:06:28,210 --> 01:06:25,550
on a minute I've never served

1335
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:28,220
I've never clicked I've never done

1336
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:31,250
anything in that realm I only had that

1337
01:06:37,630 --> 01:06:33,770
brief three-minute conversation on the

1338
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:37,640
phone that's right yep and and last

1339
01:06:42,550 --> 01:06:40,010
month when Zuckerberg got up in front of

1340
01:06:44,620 --> 01:06:42,560
Congress in the Senate one of the

1341
01:06:47,020 --> 01:06:44,630
representatives said to him I'm sure

1342
01:06:50,350 --> 01:06:47,030
that you caught this but asked him he

1343
01:06:54,010 --> 01:06:50,360
said you know my staff wanted me to ask

1344
01:06:57,370 --> 01:06:54,020
you about their conversations getting

1345
01:07:00,450 --> 01:06:57,380
heard on their phones because what they

1346
01:07:02,830 --> 01:07:00,460
talk about in private is turning up in

1347
01:07:04,660 --> 01:07:02,840
advertising when they know that they

1348
01:07:06,790 --> 01:07:04,670
haven't clicked or done anything they've

1349
01:07:09,370 --> 01:07:06,800
only had these weird conversations and

1350
01:07:12,990 --> 01:07:09,380
this stuff pops up are you listening to

1351
01:07:18,730 --> 01:07:13,000
conversations and using that to tailor

1352
01:07:21,070 --> 01:07:18,740
advertising and Zuckerberg said no right

1353
01:07:23,260 --> 01:07:21,080
well that's clearly untrue I think that

1354
01:07:25,810 --> 01:07:23,270
so that's like so yeah the way that that

1355
01:07:28,270 --> 01:07:25,820
works by the way is if you want that if

1356
01:07:30,370 --> 01:07:28,280
you I'm fairly certain that if you want

1357
01:07:32,590 --> 01:07:30,380
that to stop happening delete facebook

1358
01:07:34,090 --> 01:07:32,600
Messenger from your phone I believe

1359
01:07:37,690 --> 01:07:34,100
that's the app that has voice

1360
01:07:39,650 --> 01:07:37,700
recognition and and it has all kinds of

1361
01:07:41,359 --> 01:07:39,660
scary stuff in the terms

1362
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,369
people agree too and they download that

1363
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:43,200
app but not the actual Facebook app or

1364
01:07:49,069 --> 01:07:45,690
the messenger app so but that's fair I

1365
01:07:50,990 --> 01:07:49,079
mean all they have to do is is it you

1366
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:51,000
when you turn on facebook Messenger you

1367
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:52,770
give it access to your microphone so

1368
01:07:57,140 --> 01:07:54,510
that you can call people through it they

1369
01:07:59,569 --> 01:07:57,150
can then turn on your microphone it's

1370
01:08:01,970 --> 01:07:59,579
very easy just to get a voice you know

1371
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:01,980
voice recognition and then the voice

1372
01:08:07,849 --> 01:08:05,250
recognition voice just text can then be

1373
01:08:10,339 --> 01:08:07,859
looked at by you know some type of

1374
01:08:12,890 --> 01:08:10,349
machine learning thing or can can you

1375
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:12,900
can trigger certain keywords and then

1376
01:08:17,209 --> 01:08:14,880
all that happens is your Facebook

1377
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:17,219
account is now tagged as having an

1378
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:19,920
interest in that subject anybody

1379
01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:22,170
including individual Facebook marketers

1380
01:08:25,729 --> 01:08:24,120
not just big companies anybody can get

1381
01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:25,739
into the backend of Facebook and that

1382
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,310
target people with that interest and

1383
01:08:32,809 --> 01:08:31,199
they can also be retargeted around the

1384
01:08:36,140 --> 01:08:32,819
web because if you have somebody's

1385
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:36,150
facebook ad or address or accounts you

1386
01:08:41,689 --> 01:08:39,330
very likely can have access to Google

1387
01:08:43,309 --> 01:08:41,699
their email address things like that and

1388
01:08:46,519 --> 01:08:43,319
then their email can be used to target

1389
01:08:49,130 --> 01:08:46,529
you know Google Adsense will target ads

1390
01:08:51,289 --> 01:08:49,140
to you wherever you go on the web

1391
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:51,299
because all those ads are run by the

1392
01:08:58,640 --> 01:08:54,239
same system at Google is that about the

1393
01:09:00,680 --> 01:08:58,650
scariest part of this in that the amount

1394
01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:00,690
of data collection through voice

1395
01:09:06,650 --> 01:09:03,480
recognition like that has got to be

1396
01:09:13,130 --> 01:09:06,660
ginormous is it's a ridiculous amount of

1397
01:09:15,890 --> 01:09:13,140
science behind that to use spoken word

1398
01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:15,900
convert the subject matter into a

1399
01:09:23,539 --> 01:09:20,310
general interest in that oh this person

1400
01:09:25,820 --> 01:09:23,549
is going to buy one of these things

1401
01:09:27,890 --> 01:09:25,830
that's right that's right I mean when

1402
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:27,900
you think about let's talk about the NSA

1403
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:30,000
you know the NSA it does the same thing

1404
01:09:34,370 --> 01:09:32,250
collects voice data from everywhere all

1405
01:09:36,050 --> 01:09:34,380
over the world and just to store that

1406
01:09:37,700 --> 01:09:36,060
data they have data centers around the

1407
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:37,710
world one of the most famous is in

1408
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:40,290
believe the desert in Utah somewhere or

1409
01:09:44,990 --> 01:09:42,810
Nevada Salt Lake City Salt Lake City

1410
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:45,000
okay it's that gigantic data center I

1411
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,250
don't know where where data or Facebook

1412
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:49,679
and the other ones keep their data but

1413
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:52,080
you know ten years ago when people first

1414
01:09:55,250 --> 01:09:53,489
started becoming aware

1415
01:09:57,259 --> 01:09:55,260
of the level of surveillance that was

1416
01:09:59,779 --> 01:09:57,269
possible particularly would be when the

1417
01:10:02,000 --> 01:09:59,789
Snowden thing happened one of the things

1418
01:10:04,669 --> 01:10:02,010
that people were saying was well look

1419
01:10:06,020 --> 01:10:04,679
you know I'm not nobody's okay maybe

1420
01:10:07,819 --> 01:10:06,030
they're doing that but nobody cares

1421
01:10:09,770 --> 01:10:07,829
about me and who's gonna sort through

1422
01:10:11,959 --> 01:10:09,780
all that data anyways they would have to

1423
01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:11,969
pay one person they would like to have

1424
01:10:15,859 --> 01:10:14,280
to assign one human being to every human

1425
01:10:16,970 --> 01:10:15,869
being that's being that's on the

1426
01:10:19,580 --> 01:10:16,980
internet it's like he's just not

1427
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:19,590
possible so the assumption was that it

1428
01:10:23,689 --> 01:10:21,690
was just gonna be unusable data but

1429
01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:23,699
that's no longer the case because with

1430
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:25,710
graphics cards and machine learning it's

1431
01:10:32,209 --> 01:10:30,090
quite easy to just run an algorithm that

1432
01:10:35,410 --> 01:10:32,219
processes all of that data and then

1433
01:10:37,609 --> 01:10:35,420
comes back with information on

1434
01:10:39,799 --> 01:10:37,619
individuals it can do predictive

1435
01:10:42,379 --> 01:10:39,809
analysis that can do things like the

1436
01:10:44,209 --> 01:10:42,389
movie Minority Report I'm positive that

1437
01:10:45,919 --> 01:10:44,219
there are already machine learning

1438
01:10:47,509 --> 01:10:45,929
learning algorithms that can go through

1439
01:10:49,339 --> 01:10:47,519
all of the collected data on an

1440
01:10:52,189 --> 01:10:49,349
individual and then predict not only

1441
01:10:54,140 --> 01:10:52,199
their future buying patterns but what

1442
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:54,150
they're how they're likely to vote how

1443
01:10:59,239 --> 01:10:56,489
they are likely to you know whether

1444
01:11:01,729 --> 01:10:59,249
they're potentially dangerous or not you

1445
01:11:04,430 --> 01:11:01,739
know Google is we're now working on a an

1446
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:04,440
algorithm that will pretty effectively

1447
01:11:07,759 --> 01:11:06,449
predict when somebody's gonna die that

1448
01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:07,769
can be used for medical medical

1449
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:09,960
insurance reasons things like that so

1450
01:11:14,509 --> 01:11:12,719
people don't understand people really

1451
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:14,519
need to understand what's happening

1452
01:11:18,379 --> 01:11:17,010
right now which is that yes all okay the

1453
01:11:21,049 --> 01:11:18,389
thing that people are aware of is that

1454
01:11:22,370 --> 01:11:21,059
all this data has been collected well

1455
01:11:24,589 --> 01:11:22,380
the second thing they need to be aware

1456
01:11:26,899 --> 01:11:24,599
of is that it's going to be processed

1457
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:26,909
and it can be processed not by human

1458
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:32,460
beings but by algorithms and AIS as they

1459
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:34,530
currently exist it's a bit of a misnomer

1460
01:11:38,089 --> 01:11:35,730
because they're not actually

1461
01:11:40,729 --> 01:11:38,099
intelligence is that what a eyes are

1462
01:11:42,770 --> 01:11:40,739
right now are essentially algorithms

1463
01:11:44,540 --> 01:11:42,780
that are possible to are capable of

1464
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:44,550
processing gigantic amounts of

1465
01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:46,860
information and coming back with useful

1466
01:11:51,410 --> 01:11:48,510
data from it mm-hmm

1467
01:11:53,989 --> 01:11:51,420
and so machine learning algorithms can

1468
01:11:56,359 --> 01:11:53,999
quite it first of all can go through all

1469
01:11:59,390 --> 01:11:56,369
of that and pull out the information

1470
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:59,400
that the people who own them want very

1471
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:01,679
quickly and easily even if they're going

1472
01:12:05,509 --> 01:12:03,360
through petabytes at petabytes of

1473
01:12:07,700 --> 01:12:05,519
information you know relatively quickly

1474
01:12:10,220 --> 01:12:07,710
so the other thing is

1475
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:10,230
that amount of data is needed in order

1476
01:12:15,470 --> 01:12:13,710
to train a is it's it's no mistake that

1477
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:15,480
all this data has been collected because

1478
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:18,719
that data is necessary to Train thinking

1479
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:21,600
machines they need all of that to learn

1480
01:12:28,729 --> 01:12:26,010
from I had a very interesting email I

1481
01:12:31,490 --> 01:12:28,739
got so much of it out right I spoke

1482
01:12:34,670 --> 01:12:31,500
about this and one of them I'm gonna

1483
01:12:40,220 --> 01:12:34,680
paraphrase and and and shorten it up but

1484
01:12:43,670 --> 01:12:40,230
it was two women in a kitchen talking

1485
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:43,680
about a distant relative who just had a

1486
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:47,130
baby okay that's that's it nothing that

1487
01:12:54,290 --> 01:12:51,600
was a direct family member but they

1488
01:12:57,530 --> 01:12:54,300
talked about the baby and that it was a

1489
01:13:01,040 --> 01:12:57,540
girl and and then that was it

1490
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:01,050
but this lady said the next day now and

1491
01:13:07,610 --> 01:13:04,890
and she said very clearly this wasn't a

1492
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:07,620
direct you know family member it wasn't

1493
01:13:11,060 --> 01:13:09,210
anything that was on the internet it

1494
01:13:13,250 --> 01:13:11,070
wasn't anything that was sent to us or

1495
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:13,260
anything it was just a very brief

1496
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:16,050
conversation in the kitchen the next day

1497
01:13:23,300 --> 01:13:20,489
I've got baby girl clothes advertising

1498
01:13:27,530 --> 01:13:23,310
all over right yeah yeah and she said it

1499
01:13:30,860 --> 01:13:27,540
had to have come from either our smart

1500
01:13:32,690 --> 01:13:30,870
television or our smart refrigerator

1501
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:32,700
that's what they were linking well yeah

1502
01:13:37,700 --> 01:13:35,250
so those are well known to be mass

1503
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:37,710
particularly Smart TVs are well known to

1504
01:13:43,370 --> 01:13:40,890
be security nightmares right I think

1505
01:13:45,770 --> 01:13:43,380
that the new Xbox also was revealed to

1506
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:45,780
be to either the Xbox of the PlayStation

1507
01:13:51,380 --> 01:13:48,210
I believe it was the Xbox was revealed

1508
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:51,390
to be recording 24/7 the mic never turns

1509
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:52,410
off huh

1510
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:56,250
so the the whole Internet of Things all

1511
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:57,930
of that stuff is a security nightmare

1512
01:14:01,820 --> 01:14:00,239
both for data scraping and for for

1513
01:14:04,340 --> 01:14:01,830
hacking I mean there was a story just to

1514
01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:04,350
give you an example there was a story I

1515
01:14:08,860 --> 01:14:05,910
think a couple of months ago where a

1516
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:08,870
casino in Vegas had their Network hacked

1517
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:12,210
and some a tremendous amount of money

1518
01:14:15,950 --> 01:14:14,489
was extracted from it I may be getting

1519
01:14:17,959 --> 01:14:15,960
this ROM and this is how remembering the

1520
01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:17,969
story but this part I'm sure of the way

1521
01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:20,760
that it was done was there was a Wi-Fi

1522
01:14:24,230 --> 01:14:21,510
connected

1523
01:14:26,900 --> 01:14:24,240
thermometer in the aquarium the fish

1524
01:14:28,970 --> 01:14:26,910
aquarium in the lobby of the casino and

1525
01:14:31,190 --> 01:14:28,980
and the hackers just like came in with a

1526
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:31,200
laptop got into you know that was not

1527
01:14:35,090 --> 01:14:33,120
password protected or was flimsily

1528
01:14:36,740 --> 01:14:35,100
password protected they hacked the

1529
01:14:39,050 --> 01:14:36,750
thermometer and from that were able to

1530
01:14:42,170 --> 01:14:39,060
get into the network of the entire

1531
01:14:43,970 --> 01:14:42,180
casino so people really I mean the

1532
01:14:45,770 --> 01:14:43,980
internet of things as John McAfee has

1533
01:14:47,870 --> 01:14:45,780
pointed out a few times it's just a you

1534
01:14:49,940 --> 01:14:47,880
know it's a disaster waiting to happen

1535
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:49,950
but yes absolutely and they've shown

1536
01:14:53,690 --> 01:14:51,840
that they've absolutely shown that like

1537
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:53,700
Samsung Smart TVs and things like that

1538
01:14:59,120 --> 01:14:56,880
have you know allegedly I don't want to

1539
01:15:02,300 --> 01:14:59,130
Samsung to get mad at me but you know

1540
01:15:04,100 --> 01:15:02,310
Smart TVs in general have you know are

1541
01:15:07,100 --> 01:15:04,110
listening they're look you know and it's

1542
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:07,110
it's a you know we're voluntarily

1543
01:15:10,190 --> 01:15:08,850
walking into it you know and I have I

1544
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:10,200
own smart devices and things like that

1545
01:15:17,300 --> 01:15:13,530
so I've got a black tape over everything

1546
01:15:19,850 --> 01:15:17,310
now man it's so funny over anything

1547
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:19,860
that's got a camera any laptop that's

1548
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:21,650
got a camera I've got tape on it

1549
01:15:30,890 --> 01:15:25,280
microphones covered you know I just it's

1550
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:30,900
weird how I just don't know and and most

1551
01:15:36,110 --> 01:15:34,610
of it you're clicking on I accept right

1552
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:36,120
right right right

1553
01:15:40,580 --> 01:15:38,760
and and I said I said at one point on

1554
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:40,590
Twitter I think it's you know our

1555
01:15:47,390 --> 01:15:44,370
freedom is surrendered one one one

1556
01:15:49,580 --> 01:15:47,400
privacy policy accepted at a time you

1557
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,590
know like we bit by bit we give our

1558
01:15:54,260 --> 01:15:51,120
freedom away to these terms and

1559
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:54,270
conditions that we we we sign off on now

1560
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:57,810
what do we where are we right now with

1561
01:16:05,090 --> 01:16:01,440
AI you know the big word certainly two

1562
01:16:08,570 --> 01:16:05,100
years ago was singularity and and we you

1563
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:08,580
know these dates were thrown around you

1564
01:16:14,150 --> 01:16:11,130
know by Ray Kurzweil and Elon and and

1565
01:16:19,940 --> 01:16:14,160
others Kurzweil was saying it could be

1566
01:16:22,370 --> 01:16:19,950
as soon as 2018 but where are we with

1567
01:16:25,940 --> 01:16:22,380
that do we have something to really fear

1568
01:16:27,500 --> 01:16:25,950
here okay so well first of all my take

1569
01:16:29,150 --> 01:16:27,510
on this thing I think the singularity is

1570
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:29,160
marketing hype it was something that was

1571
01:16:33,710 --> 01:16:31,410
come up with the sell books and get on

1572
01:16:35,500 --> 01:16:33,720
shows and that type of thing I don't

1573
01:16:37,089 --> 01:16:35,510
think that that's a real thing

1574
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:37,099
whatever is actually gonna happen is

1575
01:16:42,459 --> 01:16:38,960
gonna be much more complicated in terms

1576
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:42,469
of AI the thing about AI is that people

1577
01:16:46,180 --> 01:16:44,449
don't understand what it actually is and

1578
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:46,190
then of course they're gonna be afraid

1579
01:16:50,770 --> 01:16:48,650
of it if you look at articles about AI

1580
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:50,780
online you always see kind of like stock

1581
01:16:54,250 --> 01:16:52,730
foot or clip art from the Terminator

1582
01:16:56,740 --> 01:16:54,260
movies and all of the robots are gonna

1583
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:56,750
come take our jobs and kill us and then

1584
01:17:02,260 --> 01:16:59,440
the assumption is that an AI will be

1585
01:17:03,939 --> 01:17:02,270
just that it will be some type of a

1586
01:17:05,919 --> 01:17:03,949
machine that is sentient and thinks like

1587
01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:05,929
a person and can act like a person

1588
01:17:13,089 --> 01:17:08,710
that's not what AI is certainly not yet

1589
01:17:16,359 --> 01:17:13,099
what AI actually is is math it's an AIS

1590
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:16,369
are just they're equations they're like

1591
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:19,130
algorithms that as I mentioned can

1592
01:17:24,970 --> 01:17:22,610
process tremendous amount of data at a

1593
01:17:29,709 --> 01:17:24,980
time and then come back with predictive

1594
01:17:32,740 --> 01:17:29,719
analysis from it so for instance so

1595
01:17:35,459 --> 01:17:32,750
recently Google was there was an article

1596
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:35,469
at the intercept where where Google was

1597
01:17:40,839 --> 01:17:38,239
it came into under some heat for

1598
01:17:43,060 --> 01:17:40,849
creating they were they were I believe

1599
01:17:46,930 --> 01:17:43,070
getting defense contracts to work with

1600
01:17:48,819 --> 01:17:46,940
the military to do AI for drones and to

1601
01:17:52,569 --> 01:17:48,829
develop machine learning for drones so

1602
01:17:54,609 --> 01:17:52,579
that they could better target people by

1603
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:54,619
face so that the way the way that works

1604
01:18:00,339 --> 01:17:57,199
is all that is is that's an you write an

1605
01:18:02,290 --> 01:18:00,349
algorithm and then the algorithm you

1606
01:18:07,540 --> 01:18:02,300
give that the the algorithm let's say

1607
01:18:10,029 --> 01:18:07,550
scans of 1 million faces and you tell it

1608
01:18:11,859 --> 01:18:10,039
to look for certain things and then if

1609
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:11,869
it has and it needs that much data I

1610
01:18:15,100 --> 01:18:13,489
can't just be a small amount of data it

1611
01:18:18,129 --> 01:18:15,110
needs to be data on that level you know

1612
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:18,139
millions of pieces of data the the

1613
01:18:22,810 --> 01:18:20,690
algorithm then runs through what they

1614
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:22,820
call a training it will train by looking

1615
01:18:30,069 --> 01:18:25,520
at all that all that data and then it'll

1616
01:18:32,290 --> 01:18:30,079
come back with you know it will then

1617
01:18:34,689 --> 01:18:32,300
after training then be able to recognize

1618
01:18:36,370 --> 01:18:34,699
what you tell it to look for with you

1619
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:36,380
know in you know point nine nine percent

1620
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:39,199
accuracy or something like that and this

1621
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:40,880
isn't hard to do you know I've written

1622
01:18:44,979 --> 01:18:43,250
AI programs you know I've written in it

1623
01:18:47,919 --> 01:18:44,989
you know it's a very basic experiment

1624
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:47,929
that anybody can do is you can write an

1625
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:48,400
AI

1626
01:18:54,270 --> 01:18:51,370
algorithm that will analyze photos of

1627
01:18:56,430 --> 01:18:54,280
handwriting and then tell you what the

1628
01:18:58,580 --> 01:18:56,440
letters and numbers are you know so you

1629
01:19:01,919 --> 01:18:58,590
give it a data set of let's say a

1630
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:01,929
million different sevens the number

1631
01:19:05,340 --> 01:19:03,610
seven written by a million different

1632
01:19:08,580 --> 01:19:05,350
people it's different versions of the

1633
01:19:10,169 --> 01:19:08,590
number seven it then trains on that data

1634
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:10,179
and then it can tell you then you can

1635
01:19:15,209 --> 01:19:12,880
show it any seven handwritten in any way

1636
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:15,219
by anybody and it will tell you it to a

1637
01:19:20,010 --> 01:19:17,110
certain you know very fraction of

1638
01:19:21,390 --> 01:19:20,020
accuracy whether it's a seven or not so

1639
01:19:23,310 --> 01:19:21,400
when we talk about doing these things

1640
01:19:24,689 --> 01:19:23,320
for military applications well then it's

1641
01:19:26,370 --> 01:19:24,699
you know they want to be you know

1642
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:26,380
recognizing I don't know targets

1643
01:19:29,010 --> 01:19:28,330
interests in search insurgents things

1644
01:19:30,780 --> 01:19:29,020
like that

1645
01:19:32,340 --> 01:19:30,790
that's certainly shocking although

1646
01:19:35,010 --> 01:19:32,350
frankly I thought about that for a

1647
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:35,020
second and I thought well the real issue

1648
01:19:38,850 --> 01:19:36,850
is not the technology the issue is the

1649
01:19:40,919 --> 01:19:38,860
military program and one of one of the

1650
01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:40,929
problems with drone warfare is that it's

1651
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:43,510
been notoriously inaccurate there's been

1652
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:45,250
so much collateral damage and the

1653
01:19:48,300 --> 01:19:47,170
children killed and civilians and things

1654
01:19:49,649 --> 01:19:48,310
like that so it's like I thought about

1655
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:49,659
that for the first I was shocked but

1656
01:19:53,459 --> 01:19:51,130
then I was like wait I kind of want them

1657
01:19:59,040 --> 01:19:53,469
to shoot accurately that's that's the

1658
01:20:01,620 --> 01:19:59,050
best way to do it so so that's what AI

1659
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:01,630
actually is it's just an algorithm they

1660
01:20:06,330 --> 01:20:03,489
can process a tremendous amount of data

1661
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:06,340
and then make decisions based off of it

1662
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:08,170
it's not intelligent it's not sentient

1663
01:20:12,300 --> 01:20:10,090
there's nothing resembling a human being

1664
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:12,310
there now there is something called

1665
01:20:17,340 --> 01:20:15,370
strong AI which is the AI from

1666
01:20:20,130 --> 01:20:17,350
science-fiction the idea that there will

1667
01:20:22,110 --> 01:20:20,140
be a machine that can think and reason

1668
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:22,120
like a human being and will be to all

1669
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:24,400
intents and purposes a new life form as

1670
01:20:30,630 --> 01:20:27,840
of yet that's still totally speculative

1671
01:20:32,729 --> 01:20:30,640
that they don't have a sense of how it

1672
01:20:34,110 --> 01:20:32,739
can actually be done some people that

1673
01:20:37,290 --> 01:20:34,120
predicted that it could happen in the

1674
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:37,300
2030s there's been a lot of fear about

1675
01:20:41,790 --> 01:20:40,000
it but the reality is that it just

1676
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:41,800
hasn't happened yet and we don't know

1677
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:45,250
how to do it although if it does happen

1678
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:46,810
it could happen overnight and we

1679
01:20:50,220 --> 01:20:48,400
wouldn't even necessarily know they did

1680
01:20:52,649 --> 01:20:50,230
it happened yeah that's the scary part

1681
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:52,659
right there you know it's one of the

1682
01:20:55,740 --> 01:20:54,250
many scary parts the best book to read

1683
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:55,750
about this by the way is called super

1684
01:20:59,520 --> 01:20:58,000
intelligence by Nick Bostrom if you

1685
01:21:01,090 --> 01:20:59,530
really want to terrify yourself and

1686
01:21:03,010 --> 01:21:01,100
never sleep again right

1687
01:21:06,130 --> 01:21:03,020
but frankly in terms of fear I think

1688
01:21:10,630 --> 01:21:06,140
that in the in the real world right now

1689
01:21:12,670 --> 01:21:10,640
where we are it's it's not helpful to

1690
01:21:15,850 --> 01:21:12,680
think about AI in science fiction terms

1691
01:21:17,470 --> 01:21:15,860
like Terminator or or even you know some

1692
01:21:19,060 --> 01:21:17,480
of the more positive AI movies cuz

1693
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:19,070
that's just not realistic snot what AI

1694
01:21:25,900 --> 01:21:21,170
actually is AI is just a learning

1695
01:21:27,250 --> 01:21:25,910
algorithm and you know even to call it

1696
01:21:29,710 --> 01:21:27,260
intelligence is a bit of a misnomer

1697
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:29,720
because it misnomer because what it

1698
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:32,480
actually is is just the next level of

1699
01:21:36,220 --> 01:21:34,250
computing power it's it's it's it's

1700
01:21:37,900 --> 01:21:36,230
computers that can now use algorithms to

1701
01:21:41,140 --> 01:21:37,910
read way more data than they used to be

1702
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:41,150
able to and make in you know draw

1703
01:21:47,860 --> 01:21:43,250
actionable information from that data

1704
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:47,870
that's really all it is and and and that

1705
01:21:54,490 --> 01:21:50,570
itself poses enough ethical dilemmas

1706
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:54,500
such as bias and algorithms for instance

1707
01:22:01,540 --> 01:21:59,360
if algorithms you know if you know

1708
01:22:03,820 --> 01:22:01,550
algorithms start to display biases and

1709
01:22:06,430 --> 01:22:03,830
things like that and then we run into

1710
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:06,440
trouble but and then the next ethic you

1711
01:22:10,750 --> 01:22:08,210
know the real pressing the really

1712
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:10,760
pressing ethical issue is the job loss

1713
01:22:15,130 --> 01:22:13,010
to automation you know within the next

1714
01:22:17,470 --> 01:22:15,140
few years the first thing that's going

1715
01:22:20,650 --> 01:22:17,480
to be lost to automation is self is

1716
01:22:23,890 --> 01:22:20,660
truck drivers that all of that will be

1717
01:22:26,380 --> 01:22:23,900
all of it and I'm sorry but 100 percent

1718
01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:26,390
of it will be replaced with automated

1719
01:22:30,670 --> 01:22:28,490
intelligent trucks that are self-driving

1720
01:22:32,530 --> 01:22:30,680
all of that runs off machine learning

1721
01:22:35,380 --> 01:22:32,540
technology because machine learning can

1722
01:22:37,570 --> 01:22:35,390
be used to recognize stoplights and you

1723
01:22:39,490 --> 01:22:37,580
know when what you know how to drive how

1724
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:39,500
to go on maps how to avoid accidents

1725
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:41,810
things like that all the entire all

1726
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:44,810
trucking is gonna be automated and truck

1727
01:22:50,440 --> 01:22:47,330
driver is the number one job

1728
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:50,450
particularly for men in America it's the

1729
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:52,490
number one job all that's gonna be gone

1730
01:22:57,010 --> 01:22:53,810
and that's happening all right you know

1731
01:22:58,480 --> 01:22:57,020
it's gonna happen overnight and but but

1732
01:23:01,780 --> 01:22:58,490
people think well I'm not a truck driver

1733
01:23:04,090 --> 01:23:01,790
I'm safe okay well at first it's gonna

1734
01:23:05,890 --> 01:23:04,100
be manual labor you know we already look

1735
01:23:07,420 --> 01:23:05,900
at Amazon's warehouse for instance so

1736
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:07,430
much of the work at Amazon's warehouse

1737
01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:11,600
is done by robots and also by underpaid

1738
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:14,450
human beings and overworked but

1739
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:16,730
blue-collar excuse me white-collar jobs

1740
01:23:23,260 --> 01:23:19,610
are not safe from this lawyers in

1741
01:23:27,940 --> 01:23:23,270
particular law is going to be mediated

1742
01:23:31,330 --> 01:23:27,950
by algorithms learning algorithms a lot

1743
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:31,340
of Medicine even journalism a lot of

1744
01:23:40,900 --> 01:23:36,250
journalism is going to be done by by

1745
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:40,910
smart algorithms and what about talk

1746
01:23:45,970 --> 01:23:43,489
show hosts well did you see this thing

1747
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:45,980
that Google has just released this I

1748
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:47,330
forget what it's called but this thing

1749
01:23:52,150 --> 01:23:49,250
that can do phone calls and make calls

1750
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:52,160
for you and it sounds 100% like a human

1751
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:54,410
being you can't tell that it's cannot

1752
01:24:02,620 --> 01:24:00,560
not a human so I mean you know and it's

1753
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:02,630
crazy when you think about it and then

1754
01:24:07,810 --> 01:24:05,360
there's the other I mean that when you

1755
01:24:11,170 --> 01:24:07,820
think about the future but even today

1756
01:24:13,450 --> 01:24:11,180
that one episode of the x-files and I

1757
01:24:16,180 --> 01:24:13,460
hate to go and use the Hollywood

1758
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:16,190
metaphor right I hate to do that but but

1759
01:24:20,740 --> 01:24:18,080
in this case it was really well done

1760
01:24:24,750 --> 01:24:20,750
and and I don't know if he caught the

1761
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:31,209
Mulder didn't tip add added automated

1762
01:24:39,130 --> 01:24:34,730
sushi restaurant right he offended the

1763
01:24:42,959 --> 01:24:39,140
bots he didn't tip and then everything

1764
01:24:53,170 --> 01:24:48,310
the Roomba turns into you know a murder

1765
01:24:58,300 --> 01:24:53,180
weapon and drones are all over us I mean

1766
01:25:02,110 --> 01:24:58,310
just the common common things today not

1767
01:25:05,770 --> 01:25:02,120
not in order to be not not Terminator

1768
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:05,780
Atty 3000 showing up but just your

1769
01:25:11,050 --> 01:25:08,570
average life the house the temperature's

1770
01:25:12,910 --> 01:25:11,060
going from a hundred degrees down to 40

1771
01:25:16,900 --> 01:25:12,920
degrees and you know if lights are

1772
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:16,910
turning on and off and you know the the

1773
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:19,250
automated house and the delivery systems

1774
01:25:25,570 --> 01:25:22,130
and like I said the Roomba turns into an

1775
01:25:27,169 --> 01:25:25,580
assassin there's that part of it and

1776
01:25:31,250 --> 01:25:27,179
this is what

1777
01:25:34,580 --> 01:25:31,260
I'm afraid of but I'm afraid of is one

1778
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:34,590
bad actor it's not about shutting down

1779
01:25:41,089 --> 01:25:37,530
the electrical grid but one guy that

1780
01:25:44,089 --> 01:25:41,099
decides to jump in on the Android

1781
01:25:47,959 --> 01:25:44,099
operating system of smart refrigerators

1782
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:47,969
and turns off refrigerators across the

1783
01:25:53,449 --> 01:25:50,130
United States and takes everybody's food

1784
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:53,459
away from them that is a problem and

1785
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:56,400
that is that is a very real situation

1786
01:26:03,439 --> 01:25:59,760
we're talking about Android is running

1787
01:26:06,109 --> 01:26:03,449
most of these connected devices and can

1788
01:26:08,689 --> 01:26:06,119
be manipulated and hacked and that is

1789
01:26:11,149 --> 01:26:08,699
something that is very very very scary

1790
01:26:14,449 --> 01:26:11,159
to me right well this is of course why

1791
01:26:16,489 --> 01:26:14,459
data security is is so important it is

1792
01:26:18,319 --> 01:26:16,499
one of the most critical things for both

1793
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:18,329
for individuals and for society as a

1794
01:26:25,339 --> 01:26:23,010
whole but you know to be honest when I

1795
01:26:27,109 --> 01:26:25,349
when I first started getting into AI at

1796
01:26:29,959 --> 01:26:27,119
first I started to see all the things

1797
01:26:33,020 --> 01:26:29,969
that could go wrong but then the more I

1798
01:26:34,399 --> 01:26:33,030
thought about it the more so for

1799
01:26:36,949 --> 01:26:34,409
instance I was reading this Nick Bostrom

1800
01:26:38,899 --> 01:26:36,959
book super intelligence so that is the

1801
01:26:40,669 --> 01:26:38,909
most terrifying book ever written about

1802
01:26:43,069 --> 01:26:40,679
AI and the potential for what could go

1803
01:26:46,549 --> 01:26:43,079
wrong it is it so it's written by a

1804
01:26:48,049 --> 01:26:46,559
lecturer at the University of Oxford you

1805
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:48,059
know he's a credentialed academic that

1806
01:26:53,299 --> 01:26:50,610
he goes through and he looks at all the

1807
01:26:56,270 --> 01:26:53,309
apocalyptic nightmare society scenarios

1808
01:26:58,879 --> 01:26:56,280
for AI almost all of which end in total

1809
01:27:01,489 --> 01:26:58,889
extinction of all life as we know it but

1810
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:01,499
he then says as you get towards the end

1811
01:27:09,319 --> 01:27:05,610
of the book the only thing that could

1812
01:27:13,179 --> 01:27:09,329
possibly be worse for Humanity then

1813
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:13,189
developing AI is not developing AI

1814
01:27:17,810 --> 01:27:16,170
and what he meant by that is when you

1815
01:27:19,790 --> 01:27:17,820
when you step back and you look at it

1816
01:27:22,129 --> 01:27:19,800
well what are the problems that we face

1817
01:27:25,219 --> 01:27:22,139
you know as a species you know okay well

1818
01:27:28,879 --> 01:27:25,229
we have you know terrible diseases that

1819
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:28,889
we need to overcome we have missed

1820
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:31,050
distribution of food and food and people

1821
01:27:36,739 --> 01:27:33,360
starving we have the environmental

1822
01:27:41,180 --> 01:27:36,749
crisis talk toxic pollution of the

1823
01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:41,190
environment dying species overpopulation

1824
01:27:45,500 --> 01:27:43,710
the need to colonize space well you know

1825
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:45,510
all of these things could potentially be

1826
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:47,250
solved very quickly with artificial

1827
01:27:51,890 --> 01:27:49,530
intelligence let's take a basic example

1828
01:27:53,900 --> 01:27:51,900
cancer right you know how many people

1829
01:27:56,990 --> 01:27:53,910
whose cancer kill every year well let's

1830
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,000
say an AI was given access to for

1831
01:28:01,130 --> 01:27:59,280
instance the data at 23andme which by

1832
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:01,140
the way is a Google company and I'm sure

1833
01:28:06,440 --> 01:28:05,040
that's why they created it but or you

1834
01:28:08,270 --> 01:28:06,450
know the Nash the records of the

1835
01:28:10,910 --> 01:28:08,280
National Health Service in England or

1836
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:10,920
something like that let's say that we

1837
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:12,810
put a machine like just a machine

1838
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:14,850
learning learning algorithm and train it

1839
01:28:19,550 --> 01:28:17,520
on the genetic code of as many people as

1840
01:28:22,340 --> 01:28:19,560
possible and then it comes back and it

1841
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:22,350
will tell you exactly the sequence of

1842
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:23,970
things to turn off to prevent cancer

1843
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:25,890
from ever occurring I mean that for me

1844
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:28,170
like that right there is our best

1845
01:28:33,410 --> 01:28:31,650
possible hope right of curing things

1846
01:28:34,970 --> 01:28:33,420
like cancer curing aids you don't say

1847
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:34,980
that the cures are gonna happen like

1848
01:28:38,570 --> 01:28:36,690
that's gonna be one of the major ways

1849
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:38,580
that it's gonna that it's gonna happen

1850
01:28:44,180 --> 01:28:41,930
or you know figuring out let's say

1851
01:28:46,910 --> 01:28:44,190
detoxifying the ocean you know all the

1852
01:28:50,030 --> 01:28:46,920
coral reefs are dying well you know AI

1853
01:28:51,380 --> 01:28:50,040
robots could easily be deployed not

1854
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:51,390
easily but you know we could work

1855
01:28:56,440 --> 01:28:53,250
towards deploying robots that could

1856
01:28:59,810 --> 01:28:56,450
start cleaning up the environment and

1857
01:29:02,870 --> 01:28:59,820
you know even the use of AI to do things

1858
01:29:05,540 --> 01:29:02,880
like sequence genetics and bring back

1859
01:29:08,150 --> 01:29:05,550
species that have been that are now

1860
01:29:10,130 --> 01:29:08,160
extinct things like this and of course

1861
01:29:12,170 --> 01:29:10,140
we're also entering the world of CRISPR

1862
01:29:14,750 --> 01:29:12,180
and easy genetic manipulation and that's

1863
01:29:16,580 --> 01:29:14,760
gonna go hand in hand with AI so yes of

1864
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:16,590
course there's frightening things about

1865
01:29:21,170 --> 01:29:18,810
these but on the flip side of that is

1866
01:29:23,630 --> 01:29:21,180
there's incredibly exciting things about

1867
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:23,640
them also and you know I don't like to

1868
01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:25,170
make predictions about the future but I

1869
01:29:28,670 --> 01:29:26,490
think that it's gonna get just

1870
01:29:32,420 --> 01:29:28,680
incredibly weird within the next 10

1871
01:29:34,010 --> 01:29:32,430
years we're just we haven't even you

1872
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:34,020
know we're talking about technology from

1873
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:36,570
the from the time that the web was

1874
01:29:42,350 --> 01:29:39,210
rolled out and you think about we

1875
01:29:45,770 --> 01:29:42,360
couldn't even stream video useful it you

1876
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know well in the 90s until now we're

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we're just in the we're still in the

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ramping up phase of information

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technology where we were still

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the part where we're gathering speed but

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we're just about to get to the takeoff

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and the takeoff is gonna happen within

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the next 10 years when we look at AI

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machine learning potentially strong AI

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CRISPR genetic manipulation blockchain

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cloud computing graphics cards with

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tremendous amounts of power the

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interconnection of all the computers

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around the world through things like

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blockchain we have no idea what's coming

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and it's it's it's gonna happen as if

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overnight as if it was like alien

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contact yeah it's gonna be the Internet

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3.0 for sure let's take a break right

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here our guest tonight Jason luve we're

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talking technology all of it this is

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fade to black on the GameChanger network

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I'm your host Jimmy Church more Jason

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after this short break

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way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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are listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Network

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hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to

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Jimmy Church this is revolution the

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all right welcome back fade to black

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coming off Jimmy Church our guest

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tonight Jason Liu we're talking tech all

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of it tomorrow night

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meet her for the first time it's gonna

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be an amazing show Thursday night open

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lines all night long this is fade to

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black

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now Jason the is there a way to slow

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down the progress that we are making

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01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:46,110
should we are we going too fast without

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looking at certain consequences and one

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of the aspects of this is if you wanted

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to take down a country right now you

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01:35:02,180 --> 01:35:00,090
don't necessarily drop bombs you take

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down their internet and then everything

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01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:06,120
is is is over you know because of the

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distribution of electricity and food and

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water and and and communication and the

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01:35:16,690 --> 01:35:13,110
news and everything else you take that

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away and the electrics it all goes down

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certainly then the next world war will

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probably involve that first in in in

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some kind of warfare and so to prevent

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01:35:35,630 --> 01:35:31,590
that maybe we should back up a little

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bit and and maybe not have things run on

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the internet like we do our

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infrastructure and so forth we can't we

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can slow it down it's not going to be

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possible the reason that I say that is

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let's say that you know if one group or

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01:35:52,700 --> 01:35:50,910
one country was to slow down

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technological progress all that would

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01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:54,060
happen would be they would fall behind

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all the other countries so and this is

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this is of course dangerous for the

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reason that you know for instance when I

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first started getting into AI I realized

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that we had never faced an existential

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you know dilemma of this level ever

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before as a human species the only thing

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that comes close is the atomic bomb so I

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went and started reading the accounts of

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the people who had worked on the

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Manhattan Project to get a sense of how

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they were thinking

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the fascinating thing is they were all

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talking about what they were doing in

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the same terms as people are talking

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about AI now where they were saying you

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know we understand that we're creating

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what could become a most terrible weapon

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ever known creating this horrible bomb

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but we also know that if we don't

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somebody else will we don't develop it

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the Germans will develop it the Japanese

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will develop it and then the war will be

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over and they'll use it on us so we have

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to develop it and that thinking forces

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it to happen it's almost like a magical

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01:37:05,500 --> 01:37:01,519
thing it forces it into manifestation

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01:37:08,359 --> 01:37:05,510
the AI developers are using the same

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01:37:10,009 --> 01:37:08,369
logic now you know when I was looking at

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01:37:11,839 --> 01:37:10,019
it at the end of 2017 there were at

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least a thousand companies working on AI

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and there's probably quite a few more

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now and that's of course going to force

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01:37:23,089 --> 01:37:20,449
the the accelerated progress of AI oh

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it's not just the u.s. it's China it's

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01:37:29,359 --> 01:37:27,239
Russia you know it's there's we can't we

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01:37:31,069 --> 01:37:29,369
can't slow it down it's just not gonna

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happen that's not something that we're

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gonna be able to do so I think that what

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we have to do is guide it and

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01:37:43,939 --> 01:37:40,079
continually suggest you know as a as a

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01:37:46,279 --> 01:37:43,949
human species have to just keep making

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sure that our voice is heard instead of

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just you know a few people in a few

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01:37:54,109 --> 01:37:51,449
corporate concerns you know the humanity

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has to constantly be forcing its way

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into the conversation and making sure

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that this is a group decision-making

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process because it obviously affects all

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life period that's how I feel about it

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and then also you know I think that we

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can one of the best things we can do is

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01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:12,090
imagine better futures for AI futures

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that are not Terminator 5 you know but

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futures that are the cure of cancer of

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the cure of you know global poverty the

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cure of environmental degradation

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there's a lot of tremendously positive

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01:38:31,250 --> 01:38:28,920
things that could come out of this you

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01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:31,260
know overwhelmingly positive so I think

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it's imperative for us to steer towards

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those futures and and I don't think that

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01:38:42,290 --> 01:38:39,449
getting to snow

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in an apocalyptic and recycling the same

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01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:44,160
Bladerunner and terminator tropes

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whenever we think about this is

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particularly helpful it's certainly not

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helpful for the people developing these

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01:38:54,590 --> 01:38:51,420
things to have that in the back of their

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mind as they do so that's kind of how I

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01:38:59,810 --> 01:38:55,830
feel about it but I think that

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technology should be a conversation that

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01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:03,000
we have as a species instead of you know

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a very tiny core group of people making

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01:39:11,150 --> 01:39:09,480
decisions behind closed doors yeah

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01:39:14,630 --> 01:39:11,160
that's that's dangerous yeah that's

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always the issue and certainly for all

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01:39:20,300 --> 01:39:16,860
of the goodness out there and there's

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01:39:22,310 --> 01:39:20,310
you know hey I like one-click Amazon

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01:39:23,050 --> 01:39:22,320
that's pretty much a pretty amazing

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01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:23,060
thing

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click delivered you know click you don't

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even have to think about some

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complicated step it's literally a click

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and it shows about your house I

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01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:39,929
appreciate that but then there's the

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01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:42,210
other side for all of that positivity

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01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:46,080
there is negativity and who is out there

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01:39:51,500 --> 01:39:48,090
on the frontlines for us

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01:39:53,810 --> 01:39:51,510
protecting our grid our internet the

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01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:53,820
banking systems and our water supplies

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01:39:59,180 --> 01:39:56,489
and our food delivery systems so they

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01:40:04,310 --> 01:39:59,190
don't get manipulated I would think that

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there are an equal amount of criminals

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01:40:08,810 --> 01:40:06,480
and criminal minds out there trying to

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01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:08,820
figure out how to manipulate the system

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01:40:12,890 --> 01:40:11,280
because it's always been there right I

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01:40:15,290 --> 01:40:12,900
think one of the real issues with

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01:40:16,430 --> 01:40:15,300
technology is there's no democracy to it

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01:40:19,070 --> 01:40:16,440
there's no such thing as global

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01:40:21,500 --> 01:40:19,080
governance even though technology the

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01:40:23,959 --> 01:40:21,510
promise of technology is that it will

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01:40:26,930 --> 01:40:23,969
bring everyone together it's not a group

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01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:26,940
decision making process and so for that

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01:40:32,150 --> 01:40:30,330
reason I'm hopeful for certain

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01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:32,160
technologies like blockchain technology

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01:40:37,310 --> 01:40:34,110
for instance I think that it would be

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01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:37,320
you know pretty cool to run let's say

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01:40:44,030 --> 01:40:41,520
let's say run a one world community not

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01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:44,040
not a one world order but a one world

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01:40:51,950 --> 01:40:47,130
community as Jaz Coleman from Killing

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01:40:53,250 --> 01:40:51,960
Joke puts it as a on the blockchain for

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01:40:59,100 --> 01:40:53,260
instance of course the

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01:41:02,520 --> 01:40:59,110
chain allows for unhackable unchangeable

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01:41:04,649 --> 01:41:02,530
data to be transferred that can't be

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changed by any bad actors so it's

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01:41:08,549 --> 01:41:05,889
something that could be used to do

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01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:08,559
global governance where it's one vote

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01:41:12,540 --> 01:41:10,719
one person for the whole world and you

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01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:12,550
know the issues that affect all humanity

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01:41:17,759 --> 01:41:14,320
could be decided through voting on the

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01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:17,769
blockchain I think that that or maybe

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01:41:20,850 --> 01:41:19,449
not just voting but just the whole idea

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01:41:22,859 --> 01:41:20,860
of global governance using the

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01:41:25,140 --> 01:41:22,869
blockchain is a you know pretty exciting

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01:41:28,319 --> 01:41:25,150
exciting to think about and you know

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01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:28,329
honestly you know to be to be perfectly

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01:41:34,919 --> 01:41:32,170
frank when we look around yet everything

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01:41:36,270 --> 01:41:34,929
has collapsed in our world at the moment

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01:41:38,490 --> 01:41:36,280
you know that the political system has

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01:41:42,089 --> 01:41:38,500
utterly collapsed this is anarchy and

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01:41:44,069 --> 01:41:42,099
chaos both in America and Europe and all

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01:41:45,660 --> 01:41:44,079
of the old philosophies people don't

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01:41:47,580 --> 01:41:45,670
seem to be paying any heed to them

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01:41:52,410 --> 01:41:47,590
anymore the social order the social

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01:41:55,290 --> 01:41:52,420
fabric have disintegrated and but

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01:41:57,149 --> 01:41:55,300
technology is one of the only things

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01:41:59,370 --> 01:41:57,159
that we have as a human species that's

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01:42:01,799 --> 01:41:59,380
it's working and going forward into the

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01:42:04,529 --> 01:42:01,809
future and technology is what delivers

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01:42:11,700 --> 01:42:04,539
you know NASA didn't deliver but Elon

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01:42:14,220 --> 01:42:11,710
Musk is and you know like so so I have

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01:42:15,660 --> 01:42:14,230
to say that you know technology is kind

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01:42:17,180 --> 01:42:15,670
of where we should be putting our focus

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01:42:19,709 --> 01:42:17,190
in our effort you know it's the only

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01:42:21,689 --> 01:42:19,719
technology is the only thing that's

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01:42:23,549 --> 01:42:21,699
gonna give us a Hail Mary pass on the

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01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:23,559
the issues that we face in this century

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01:42:30,750 --> 01:42:28,480
whether its climate change or or or what

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01:42:35,149 --> 01:42:30,760
overpopulation or whatever it happens to

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01:42:37,319 --> 01:42:35,159
be pandemic global pandemic diseases

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01:42:39,359 --> 01:42:37,329
technology is the only thing that's

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01:42:40,919 --> 01:42:39,369
gonna save us it's not going to be

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01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:40,929
religion it's not going to be government

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01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:43,210
it's not going to be spirituality you

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01:42:47,310 --> 01:42:45,010
know which is a sobering thing for

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01:42:49,879 --> 01:42:47,320
somebody like me to say but it's kind of

2144
01:42:54,899 --> 01:42:49,889
true spirituality will definitely

2145
01:42:59,009 --> 01:42:54,909
spirituality is great for motivating

2146
01:43:01,350 --> 01:42:59,019
small numbers of you know people who are

2147
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:01,360
willing to put the time in but it's not

2148
01:43:05,339 --> 01:43:03,610
a mass fix the only way we're gonna mass

2149
01:43:06,689 --> 01:43:05,349
fix these issues is through technology

2150
01:43:09,390 --> 01:43:06,699
so

2151
01:43:12,689 --> 01:43:09,400
I'm all for it in that sense and I think

2152
01:43:14,069 --> 01:43:12,699
that but I just cautioned that I mean I

2153
01:43:17,419 --> 01:43:14,079
don't know if caution is the word I

2154
01:43:19,589 --> 01:43:17,429
think that one of the things that a

2155
01:43:21,899 --> 01:43:19,599
couple of the great spiritual teachers

2156
01:43:25,169 --> 01:43:21,909
of the 20th century said Parmenter

2157
01:43:26,549 --> 01:43:25,179
Yogananda and Manley P Hall in the early

2158
01:43:29,310 --> 01:43:26,559
part of the 20th century is that

2159
01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:29,320
humanities technological capacity is

2160
01:43:36,689 --> 01:43:31,510
advancing so quickly that it's

2161
01:43:38,759 --> 01:43:36,699
outstripping by exponential factors is

2162
01:43:41,459 --> 01:43:38,769
outstripping humanities wisdom and

2163
01:43:45,209 --> 01:43:41,469
capability capability of handling it and

2164
01:43:47,129 --> 01:43:45,219
using it humanely and you know all you

2165
01:43:49,229 --> 01:43:47,139
have to do is look online and you'll see

2166
01:43:51,989 --> 01:43:49,239
that that's the case you know we have

2167
01:43:54,810 --> 01:43:51,999
this technology which to all intents and

2168
01:43:57,629 --> 01:43:54,820
purposes gives us magical powers both as

2169
01:43:59,160 --> 01:43:57,639
individuals and as groups and whether

2170
01:44:01,859 --> 01:43:59,170
they're still the same people that we

2171
01:44:05,459 --> 01:44:01,869
were you know 2,000 years ago we're

2172
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:05,469
still the same savages you know so we

2173
01:44:08,689 --> 01:44:06,880
just have more we're gonna have more and

2174
01:44:10,949 --> 01:44:08,699
more and more and more powerful tools

2175
01:44:14,839 --> 01:44:10,959
you know the odd up the atom bomb

2176
01:44:18,620 --> 01:44:14,849
already looks like you know a musket so

2177
01:44:22,350 --> 01:44:18,630
well one of the hurdles that third

2178
01:44:25,339 --> 01:44:22,360
desperately trying to overcome right now

2179
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:25,349
and this is both with DARPA and Sandia

2180
01:44:29,969 --> 01:44:28,690
and others too as well certainly the

2181
01:44:31,979 --> 01:44:29,979
focuses of the research and their

2182
01:44:38,100 --> 01:44:31,989
budgeting right now is a neural

2183
01:44:40,500 --> 01:44:38,110
interface and that machine to biological

2184
01:44:43,620 --> 01:44:40,510
communication and being able to convert

2185
01:44:46,770 --> 01:44:43,630
that for a multitude of reasons one

2186
01:44:49,770 --> 01:44:46,780
obviously to download your your your

2187
01:44:53,549 --> 01:44:49,780
brain and your memories your dreams your

2188
01:44:56,669 --> 01:44:53,559
thoughts but also a strong suggestion in

2189
01:44:59,939 --> 01:44:56,679
to immortality because if you could get

2190
01:45:04,830 --> 01:44:59,949
your soul and your consciousness into

2191
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:04,840
your memory onto a USB Drive well then

2192
01:45:10,399 --> 01:45:07,570
you're off to the races to living

2193
01:45:12,899 --> 01:45:10,409
forever and the other part of that is

2194
01:45:16,350 --> 01:45:12,909
incorporating that of course into that

2195
01:45:19,100 --> 01:45:16,360
Tron type of artificial reality where

2196
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:19,110
you would just exist on a chip and that

2197
01:45:22,529 --> 01:45:20,530
is a he

2198
01:45:27,049 --> 01:45:22,539
focus right now how close do you think

2199
01:45:29,910 --> 01:45:27,059
we are to downloading our brains well I

2200
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:29,920
mean to be honest I would be surprised

2201
01:45:35,250 --> 01:45:33,760
if I I would be really surprised if you

2202
01:45:36,569 --> 01:45:35,260
know fairly advanced neural machine

2203
01:45:40,799 --> 01:45:36,579
interfaces haven't already been

2204
01:45:43,859 --> 01:45:40,809
developed in in the military world and I

2205
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:43,869
think that okay so in terms of whole

2206
01:45:48,569 --> 01:45:45,280
brain downloading they've certainly

2207
01:45:52,979 --> 01:45:48,579
discussed it as a potential way to model

2208
01:45:54,899 --> 01:45:52,989
even a strong AI that said you know my

2209
01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:54,909
honest take on this is I don't think

2210
01:45:58,649 --> 01:45:56,530
they're gonna be able to do it I don't I

2211
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:58,659
don't think that the you know and it's

2212
01:46:03,089 --> 01:46:00,159
not even just a romantic thing I don't

2213
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:03,099
think that the what it is that makes a

2214
01:46:11,069 --> 01:46:06,010
human being conscious can't be reduced

2215
01:46:12,379 --> 01:46:11,079
into a terror and it right onto a USB I

2216
01:46:16,020 --> 01:46:12,389
just don't think that's gonna happen

2217
01:46:17,310 --> 01:46:16,030
what is gonna happen is just because

2218
01:46:19,379 --> 01:46:17,320
they don't it look we don't even

2219
01:46:21,089 --> 01:46:19,389
understand what consciousness is and and

2220
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:21,099
you know as a lifelong meditator and

2221
01:46:25,799 --> 01:46:23,440
explorers spiritual traditions I think I

2222
01:46:28,500 --> 01:46:25,809
can pretty pretty authoritative ly

2223
01:46:30,359 --> 01:46:28,510
assure you that the whatever it is that

2224
01:46:31,919 --> 01:46:30,369
we call the human soul I mean most human

2225
01:46:34,890 --> 01:46:31,929
beings haven't even experienced the full

2226
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:34,900
capacity of their their the the full

2227
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:37,119
expansiveness or capacity of that their

2228
01:46:42,029 --> 01:46:40,449
own spiritual levels so they don't even

2229
01:46:44,209 --> 01:46:42,039
know what they're playing with it's it's

2230
01:46:45,930 --> 01:46:44,219
that's that you know spirit you know

2231
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:45,940
spirituality spirituality and the

2232
01:46:49,049 --> 01:46:47,679
spiritual aspects of life into human

2233
01:46:51,959 --> 01:46:49,059
beings are so far beyond anything

2234
01:46:53,220 --> 01:46:51,969
technology will ever be able to do that

2235
01:46:57,359 --> 01:46:53,230
it's just not going to happen

2236
01:47:00,240 --> 01:46:57,369
but what will happen is as you mentioned

2237
01:47:01,709 --> 01:47:00,250
neural machine interfaces I think that's

2238
01:47:03,029 --> 01:47:01,719
gonna come very quickly and they're

2239
01:47:04,260 --> 01:47:03,039
they're already talking about what

2240
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:04,270
they're calling the Internet of thoughts

2241
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:07,210
which is you know when you have a neural

2242
01:47:12,660 --> 01:47:10,449
interface into a machine a computer that

2243
01:47:13,830 --> 01:47:12,670
is then connected to the cloud and then

2244
01:47:15,660 --> 01:47:13,840
you're you know you're ordering things

2245
01:47:17,370 --> 01:47:15,670
on Amazon with thoughts and browsing the

2246
01:47:19,140 --> 01:47:17,380
web with thoughts and communicating with

2247
01:47:20,850 --> 01:47:19,150
people to other people with thoughts and

2248
01:47:24,330 --> 01:47:20,860
then we have essentially a global

2249
01:47:25,379 --> 01:47:24,340
telepathic network that's that's coming

2250
01:47:27,029 --> 01:47:25,389
that's gonna happen

2251
01:47:28,290 --> 01:47:27,039
I don't know how extensive it's going to

2252
01:47:30,029 --> 01:47:28,300
be or how quickly it's going to happen

2253
01:47:32,279 --> 01:47:30,039
but they're already talking about it and

2254
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:32,289
they're already using that terminology

2255
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:33,530
and

2256
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:35,570
I don't know I don't know if I want to

2257
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:37,850
know what's in other people's thoughts

2258
01:47:46,750 --> 01:47:42,410
no right and now and in the way that AR

2259
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:46,760
is advancing to as well not only you can

2260
01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:51,290
see directly in gaming gaming today

2261
01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:53,570
look we go back and look at asteroids

2262
01:47:57,790 --> 01:47:55,970
right or missile command and then look

2263
01:47:59,290 --> 01:47:57,800
at what is going on today it's pretty

2264
01:48:03,430 --> 01:47:59,300
astounding and then there's the other

2265
01:48:07,150 --> 01:48:03,440
part of it that goes on in Hollywood and

2266
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:07,160
the rendering that is done with with

2267
01:48:13,810 --> 01:48:09,530
that today it's just it's very very

2268
01:48:15,820 --> 01:48:13,820
impressive and you can't tell well maybe

2269
01:48:18,460 --> 01:48:15,830
you can't but it's almost gotten to the

2270
01:48:21,670 --> 01:48:18,470
point where you don't know what is real

2271
01:48:24,910 --> 01:48:21,680
and what is not where do you think that

2272
01:48:29,710 --> 01:48:24,920
is going and if you could exist in an AR

2273
01:48:35,620 --> 01:48:29,720
world would you do it in an AR world or

2274
01:48:38,530 --> 01:48:35,630
a full VR well si okay now also the

2275
01:48:40,930 --> 01:48:38,540
lines are blurred between the two right

2276
01:48:45,700 --> 01:48:40,940
well so I guess just to define clearly

2277
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:45,710
so AR augmented reality is when you are

2278
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:48,290
okay so a good example would be you're

2279
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:50,930
walking around the mall and you hold up

2280
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:52,730
your phone in front of stores and it

2281
01:48:56,050 --> 01:48:55,010
displays you know price tags and current

2282
01:48:58,030 --> 01:48:56,060
deals and things like that

2283
01:49:00,540 --> 01:48:58,040
AR is when there's an overlay of

2284
01:49:03,490 --> 01:49:00,550
information on top of the world as it is

2285
01:49:05,700 --> 01:49:03,500
and that's coming real quick and that's

2286
01:49:10,870 --> 01:49:05,710
going to be integrated with their lives

2287
01:49:12,430 --> 01:49:10,880
you know much more than VR is so and and

2288
01:49:15,070 --> 01:49:12,440
it's not just it's not just that but I

2289
01:49:17,230 --> 01:49:15,080
mean you know obviously it it syncs up

2290
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:17,240
with the Internet of Things and displays

2291
01:49:26,470 --> 01:49:25,010
and things like that but ER via full VR

2292
01:49:28,060 --> 01:49:26,480
is when you actually go into another

2293
01:49:29,590 --> 01:49:28,070
experience you know so you put the

2294
01:49:31,660 --> 01:49:29,600
helmet on and you go into another world

2295
01:49:35,350 --> 01:49:31,670
instead of it being an overlay on this

2296
01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:35,360
world yeah and look at look at pokemons

2297
01:49:41,410 --> 01:49:35,840
go

2298
01:49:44,260 --> 01:49:41,420
that's a beautiful example of being able

2299
01:49:46,210 --> 01:49:44,270
to exist and and it's right there it's

2300
01:49:47,650 --> 01:49:46,220
on your cell phone

2301
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:47,660
and you're looking and you're walking

2302
01:49:57,460 --> 01:49:52,610
around in reality right but your your

2303
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:57,470
your in gameplay and that's right there

2304
01:50:03,010 --> 01:50:00,320
it's a very simple version of it but it

2305
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:03,020
is actually running so I guess what I'm

2306
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:05,930
asking you is if you are offered the

2307
01:50:13,240 --> 01:50:09,530
opportunity to download your

2308
01:50:18,100 --> 01:50:13,250
consciousness your soul and exist in an

2309
01:50:22,090 --> 01:50:18,110
artificial reality full-on version of

2310
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:22,100
picah City Seattle you could just live

2311
01:50:27,670 --> 01:50:24,560
there forever would you would you make

2312
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:27,680
that move I'm not sure I would because

2313
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:30,170
I'd be worried that you know the the

2314
01:50:33,700 --> 01:50:31,970
promise would be that it would be some

2315
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:33,710
virtual paradise and then I get there

2316
01:50:36,970 --> 01:50:35,090
and then it would just be some machine

2317
01:50:39,930 --> 01:50:36,980
using my consciousness to mind Bitcoin

2318
01:50:46,570 --> 01:50:43,420
okay now the movie especially the the

2319
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:46,580
first version of it Tron that is

2320
01:50:54,310 --> 01:50:52,010
suggested to all of us another world one

2321
01:50:57,730 --> 01:50:54,320
that existed you know on a motherboard

2322
01:51:00,490 --> 01:50:57,740
and the way that Silicon Valley is

2323
01:51:01,870 --> 01:51:00,500
working right now with with qubits and

2324
01:51:03,670 --> 01:51:01,880
parallel worlds

2325
01:51:07,050 --> 01:51:03,680
now we're strongly suggesting the

2326
01:51:09,580 --> 01:51:07,060
existence of on a scientific level

2327
01:51:11,500 --> 01:51:09,590
multiverse parallel worlds infinite

2328
01:51:15,970 --> 01:51:11,510
parallel worlds where these qubits can

2329
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:15,980
can run and exist and and compute well

2330
01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:17,930
now we're starting to cross this line

2331
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:21,890
and when all of the not all but a bunch

2332
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:24,770
of these heads of giant corporations up

2333
01:51:31,750 --> 01:51:26,930
in Silicon Valley started suggesting

2334
01:51:35,290 --> 01:51:31,760
this this type of world may be real and

2335
01:51:37,470 --> 01:51:35,300
we may be existing in it is suggesting

2336
01:51:40,150 --> 01:51:37,480
that they know something that we don't

2337
01:51:43,480 --> 01:51:40,160
what do you think about science starting

2338
01:51:45,730 --> 01:51:43,490
to prove this direction and it was

2339
01:51:48,610 --> 01:51:45,740
Silicon Valley of all places that is

2340
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:48,620
leading the way well to be honest I

2341
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:50,330
don't know a ton about that but I do

2342
01:51:56,500 --> 01:51:53,690
know that certain things like the you

2343
01:51:58,450 --> 01:51:56,510
know there was this idea was propagated

2344
01:51:59,919 --> 01:51:58,460
a few years ago that it had been proven

2345
01:52:03,069 --> 01:51:59,929
that the universe is a simulation

2346
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:03,079
and things like that a lot of times when

2347
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:05,570
you see things like that what you're

2348
01:52:10,750 --> 01:52:08,449
actually seeing is you know a theory

2349
01:52:13,449 --> 01:52:10,760
that somebody a hypothesis that somebody

2350
01:52:15,489 --> 01:52:13,459
has proposed that then gets picked up by

2351
01:52:17,799 --> 01:52:15,499
the media and reported as if it's fact

2352
01:52:19,660 --> 01:52:17,809
and I know Neil deGrasse Tyson commented

2353
01:52:20,979 --> 01:52:19,670
on this and kind of chucked that out and

2354
01:52:23,859 --> 01:52:20,989
said it wasn't you know was it actually

2355
01:52:24,969 --> 01:52:23,869
it was not the case a lot of times you

2356
01:52:26,709 --> 01:52:24,979
know I have also having worked as a

2357
01:52:29,949 --> 01:52:26,719
journalist and as a blogger and knowing

2358
01:52:34,629 --> 01:52:29,959
how blogs work bloggers will constantly

2359
01:52:36,879 --> 01:52:34,639
look at scientific studies and reports

2360
01:52:38,469 --> 01:52:36,889
just try and scrape stories and

2361
01:52:40,779 --> 01:52:38,479
sensationalize them as much as possible

2362
01:52:42,850 --> 01:52:40,789
but it's very often they take it out of

2363
01:52:44,410 --> 01:52:42,860
context so I know that for instance you

2364
01:52:46,359 --> 01:52:44,420
know even the mini world so the

2365
01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:46,369
many-worlds hypothesis of quantum

2366
01:52:51,129 --> 01:52:48,170
physics which is our many-worlds

2367
01:52:54,879 --> 01:52:51,139
interpretation of the you know the

2368
01:52:57,699 --> 01:52:54,889
famous wave particle experiment is just

2369
01:52:59,830 --> 01:52:57,709
it all that is it's not a it's not you

2370
01:53:02,350 --> 01:52:59,840
know it it suggests that there are

2371
01:53:05,500 --> 01:53:02,360
different realities created at the

2372
01:53:07,929 --> 01:53:05,510
quantum level for any decision or things

2373
01:53:11,489 --> 01:53:07,939
like that and all that was was saying

2374
01:53:13,359 --> 01:53:11,499
maybe this is a possible explanatory

2375
01:53:15,429 --> 01:53:13,369
interpretation of the wave particle

2376
01:53:18,850 --> 01:53:15,439
duality experiment that experiment of

2377
01:53:21,129 --> 01:53:18,860
course being that a wave you know light

2378
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:21,139
could be observed as a wave or as a

2379
01:53:24,279 --> 01:53:22,610
particle depending on what they were

2380
01:53:26,290 --> 01:53:24,289
looking for and it's going to be in a

2381
01:53:27,969 --> 01:53:26,300
quantum quantum super imposed and it

2382
01:53:29,830 --> 01:53:27,979
seemed to be both at once and nobody

2383
01:53:32,649 --> 01:53:29,840
could figure that out and one of the

2384
01:53:34,629 --> 01:53:32,659
hypotheses was that there were multi you

2385
01:53:36,759 --> 01:53:34,639
know that different universes were

2386
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:36,769
created depending on what was observed

2387
01:53:41,620 --> 01:53:39,650
but that's not like a sign that that's

2388
01:53:43,149 --> 01:53:41,630
not all that is is an idea that was

2389
01:53:44,739 --> 01:53:43,159
thrown out it's not something that's

2390
01:53:47,169 --> 01:53:44,749
been scientifically tested and validated

2391
01:53:48,939 --> 01:53:47,179
so a lot of times what happens in the

2392
01:53:51,580 --> 01:53:48,949
media is things like that get picked up

2393
01:53:54,219 --> 01:53:51,590
and reported as if they are valid

2394
01:53:55,299 --> 01:53:54,229
scientific truth and that's kind of what

2395
01:54:00,029 --> 01:53:55,309
happened with the universe is a

2396
01:54:02,290 --> 01:54:00,039
simulation thing you know I went through

2397
01:54:03,489 --> 01:54:02,300
we got to hit a break here in about two

2398
01:54:05,410 --> 01:54:03,499
minutes but I went through a heavy

2399
01:54:10,659 --> 01:54:05,420
amount of research over the last year

2400
01:54:13,060 --> 01:54:10,669
into simulation theory and the

2401
01:54:16,589 --> 01:54:13,070
those that are you know like Leonard

2402
01:54:19,239 --> 01:54:16,599
Susskind and you know these theoretical

2403
01:54:23,199 --> 01:54:19,249
physicists in quantum these guys are

2404
01:54:27,029 --> 01:54:23,209
very very bright and for them to step

2405
01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:27,039
back and say hey well you know actually

2406
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:30,800
this is possible so it's a rabbit hole

2407
01:54:34,989 --> 01:54:33,050
right Jason you go down this rabbit hole

2408
01:54:40,449 --> 01:54:34,999
you listen to these guys that are a lot

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01:54:44,949 --> 01:54:40,459
smarter than I am and I don't think that

2410
01:54:47,939 --> 01:54:44,959
they could be I think succored is the

2411
01:54:50,709 --> 01:54:47,949
wrong word but pulled down a road that

2412
01:54:52,569 --> 01:54:50,719
they wouldn't feel comfortable with

2413
01:54:54,939 --> 01:54:52,579
unless there was some scientific fact

2414
01:54:57,810 --> 01:54:54,949
behind it and that's the frightening

2415
01:55:00,219 --> 01:54:57,820
part was when you go and listen to these

2416
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:00,229
theoretical physicists and these string

2417
01:55:05,409 --> 01:55:02,570
theory guys in these quantum guys where

2418
01:55:08,799 --> 01:55:05,419
they are suggesting just that well you

2419
01:55:10,899 --> 01:55:08,809
know math is math and and this could be

2420
01:55:13,689 --> 01:55:10,909
a simulation and that's that's what's

2421
01:55:15,189 --> 01:55:13,699
scary to me is you start to believe

2422
01:55:17,259 --> 01:55:15,199
because these are people that are

2423
01:55:20,199 --> 01:55:17,269
smarter than you you know what I mean

2424
01:55:22,209 --> 01:55:20,209
right but they could also be saying you

2425
01:55:24,699 --> 01:55:22,219
know just saying it's possible all that

2426
01:55:27,429 --> 01:55:24,709
that may mean is we haven't you know we

2427
01:55:29,080 --> 01:55:27,439
haven't tested it but we can't you know

2428
01:55:30,310 --> 01:55:29,090
for the scientific just in the

2429
01:55:32,169 --> 01:55:30,320
scientific discourse I mean what they

2430
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:32,179
may be saying by saying it's possible is

2431
01:55:38,020 --> 01:55:36,530
just that we can't invalidate it you

2432
01:55:40,179 --> 01:55:38,030
know that we can't say that it's not

2433
01:55:41,830 --> 01:55:40,189
true based on current data but that it

2434
01:55:44,049 --> 01:55:41,840
you know maybe the experiments could be

2435
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:44,059
done to determine it so you know they're

2436
01:55:47,109 --> 01:55:45,530
not saying that it's true they're just

2437
01:55:49,149 --> 01:55:47,119
saying that you know we can't say it's

2438
01:55:51,759 --> 01:55:49,159
not true but that doesn't necessarily

2439
01:55:53,589 --> 01:55:51,769
mean that it's the case but you know in

2440
01:55:55,270 --> 01:55:53,599
terms of simulation theory is the

2441
01:55:57,339 --> 01:55:55,280
universe of simulation well I mean this

2442
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:57,349
is what every religion says it's you

2443
01:56:01,080 --> 01:55:58,880
know if you believe in God then you

2444
01:56:03,509 --> 01:56:01,090
believe that the universe is is you know

2445
01:56:06,969 --> 01:56:03,519
creation it's the same as a simulation

2446
01:56:09,819 --> 01:56:06,979
so I think for spiritual people this is

2447
01:56:11,500 --> 01:56:09,829
not so disconcerting but wow that's a

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01:56:13,509 --> 01:56:11,510
heavy thought that one I got a

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01:56:14,709 --> 01:56:13,519
contemplate during this commercial right

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that is heavy

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01:56:19,779 --> 01:56:16,639
that's heavy that was good that was good

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our guest tonight Jason Lou we're

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talking tech we're gonna pick up more we

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Lou he's right there great conversation

2544
02:01:04,050 --> 02:01:01,480
about technology tonight and now Jason I

2545
02:01:08,130 --> 02:01:04,060
want to shift gears a little bit and and

2546
02:01:12,510 --> 02:01:08,140
talk about our privacy on the internet

2547
02:01:17,340 --> 02:01:12,520
and also are we at the point now where

2548
02:01:20,790 --> 02:01:17,350
we have to accept ourselves as a data

2549
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:20,800
set that that is the nature of things

2550
02:01:29,010 --> 02:01:23,770
it's going to happen your personality

2551
02:01:31,290 --> 02:01:29,020
your traits our data and valuable data

2552
02:01:32,850 --> 02:01:31,300
and will be bought and sold and there's

2553
02:01:34,680 --> 02:01:32,860
not much you can do about it

2554
02:01:36,630 --> 02:01:34,690
yeah I mean well if you want to use

2555
02:01:40,410 --> 02:01:36,640
Facebook absolutely the Facebook of

2556
02:01:43,020 --> 02:01:40,420
course is the greatest intruder into

2557
02:01:46,110 --> 02:01:43,030
human privacy possibly in in human

2558
02:01:49,860 --> 02:01:46,120
history and then the other ones as well

2559
02:01:51,660 --> 02:01:49,870
and if you want to its that's kind of

2560
02:01:53,940 --> 02:01:51,670
the it's the it's the the devil's

2561
02:01:56,190 --> 02:01:53,950
bargain you know if you want to play you

2562
02:01:57,990 --> 02:01:56,200
want to get the Faustian power of

2563
02:02:01,190 --> 02:01:58,000
technology well you know the devil's

2564
02:02:03,630 --> 02:02:01,200
gotta get gotta get something too and

2565
02:02:05,190 --> 02:02:03,640
that's how it is currently I mean

2566
02:02:08,190 --> 02:02:05,200
there's things happening like the GDP

2567
02:02:09,810 --> 02:02:08,200
are in Europe you know things things are

2568
02:02:12,300 --> 02:02:09,820
certainly changing people are becoming

2569
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:12,310
much more aware about about this there's

2570
02:02:15,990 --> 02:02:13,810
been a lot of pushback and I think the

2571
02:02:18,510 --> 02:02:16,000
people should be able to continue to

2572
02:02:24,450 --> 02:02:18,520
push back against invasion of their

2573
02:02:26,910 --> 02:02:24,460
privacy and but currently to all intents

2574
02:02:28,770 --> 02:02:26,920
and purposes yeah I mean if you've ever

2575
02:02:32,040 --> 02:02:28,780
used Facebook you're a data set if

2576
02:02:33,750 --> 02:02:32,050
you've ever used Google you're a data

2577
02:02:35,250 --> 02:02:33,760
set if you've ever used Amazon you're a

2578
02:02:37,320 --> 02:02:35,260
data set if you've ever used

2579
02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:37,330
you know net if you've ever been on the

2580
02:02:40,920 --> 02:02:39,250
web yeah exactly you know but it's like

2581
02:02:44,100 --> 02:02:40,930
but would you be too honest with you

2582
02:02:46,650 --> 02:02:44,110
also you know as a small businessman and

2583
02:02:49,580 --> 02:02:46,660
you know doing business online and using

2584
02:02:54,180 --> 02:02:49,590
all these tools you know it's it's

2585
02:02:55,680 --> 02:02:54,190
the flip side of that is it's this this

2586
02:02:59,130 --> 02:02:55,690
the ability to do this is pretty much

2587
02:03:01,350 --> 02:02:59,140
democratized and it's never been easier

2588
02:03:04,410 --> 02:03:01,360
to start a business than now I mean

2589
02:03:06,330 --> 02:03:04,420
anybody can get on use Amazon web server

2590
02:03:09,270 --> 02:03:06,340
happens on cloud services or Google

2591
02:03:11,430 --> 02:03:09,280
cloud and use anyone can use Facebook

2592
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:11,440
advertising to target just the you know

2593
02:03:16,440 --> 02:03:14,530
you can create a product and build a

2594
02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:16,450
webpage to sell it and then use Facebook

2595
02:03:21,390 --> 02:03:18,250
Ads to target exactly the people that

2596
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:21,400
you know want to buy it and and so this

2597
02:03:26,040 --> 02:03:24,010
isn't it's not like this stuff is only

2598
02:03:27,870 --> 02:03:26,050
in the hands of big corporations it's

2599
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:27,880
it's it's also in the hands of anybody

2600
02:03:33,330 --> 02:03:29,770
who's willing to learn how to use it and

2601
02:03:36,180 --> 02:03:33,340
it's not that hard to learn so I think

2602
02:03:37,410 --> 02:03:36,190
it's just part of its part of the

2603
02:03:40,920 --> 02:03:37,420
evolutionary process and the

2604
02:03:42,480 --> 02:03:40,930
evolutionary curve and it's it's you

2605
02:03:44,700 --> 02:03:42,490
know it's good and bad but there's a lot

2606
02:03:46,230 --> 02:03:44,710
of good you know I I would not want to

2607
02:03:48,930 --> 02:03:46,240
live at any other time in history than

2608
02:03:50,610 --> 02:03:48,940
this you know for a guy as nerdy as I am

2609
02:03:53,310 --> 02:03:50,620
technology allows me to live a pretty

2610
02:03:57,480 --> 02:03:53,320
good lifestyle yeah and and I can

2611
02:03:59,790 --> 02:03:57,490
appreciate all of that too but I again

2612
02:04:04,440 --> 02:03:59,800
to use the word flip side the other side

2613
02:04:08,720 --> 02:04:04,450
of this is so many millions hundreds of

2614
02:04:11,250 --> 02:04:08,730
millions were shocked to find out that

2615
02:04:14,220 --> 02:04:11,260
this type of collection was going on

2616
02:04:18,780 --> 02:04:14,230
when I went and looked at my facebook

2617
02:04:21,930 --> 02:04:18,790
file mine was 1.2 gigabytes

2618
02:04:24,270 --> 02:04:21,940
I did notice others that were saying it

2619
02:04:29,160 --> 02:04:24,280
was 250 megabytes or was 300 megabytes

2620
02:04:33,450 --> 02:04:29,170
but I went and looked and the the amount

2621
02:04:36,180 --> 02:04:33,460
of data that was there which was phone

2622
02:04:38,220 --> 02:04:36,190
numbers of contacts and people and and

2623
02:04:41,340 --> 02:04:38,230
and named it some that I had never

2624
02:04:45,540 --> 02:04:41,350
contacted before certainly there was

2625
02:04:49,140 --> 02:04:45,550
information there in my data file that

2626
02:04:51,720 --> 02:04:49,150
wasn't stuff that I had had and I'm

2627
02:04:53,820 --> 02:04:51,730
talking about personal information on

2628
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:53,830
others and you go down there and you

2629
02:04:59,700 --> 02:04:57,010
look and there's phone numbers and and

2630
02:05:02,640 --> 02:04:59,710
addresses and information for people

2631
02:05:06,300 --> 02:05:02,650
that I don't even know but yet there

2632
02:05:08,910 --> 02:05:06,310
my facebook file and that's a

2633
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:08,920
frightening thought what what if I'll

2634
02:05:12,170 --> 02:05:11,050
give you an example of where I think

2635
02:05:18,620 --> 02:05:12,180
this could be used in the wrong way

2636
02:05:21,710 --> 02:05:18,630
somebody gets arrested for murder in

2637
02:05:23,970 --> 02:05:21,720
Louisiana I don't know this person

2638
02:05:25,770 --> 02:05:23,980
they're not in my phonebook I've never

2639
02:05:26,460 --> 02:05:25,780
talked to him I don't know anything

2640
02:05:28,890 --> 02:05:26,470
about them

2641
02:05:31,830 --> 02:05:28,900
but they go through their data file and

2642
02:05:35,730 --> 02:05:31,840
I pop up on there and I get a phone call

2643
02:05:39,330 --> 02:05:35,740
in an investigation for somebody that I

2644
02:05:40,830 --> 02:05:39,340
know nothing about and that's and and

2645
02:05:45,900 --> 02:05:40,840
now they're starting to connect these

2646
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:45,910
dots through a spiderweb of somebody

2647
02:05:51,090 --> 02:05:48,490
that two people that have never met that

2648
02:05:54,870 --> 02:05:51,100
know nothing about each other and yeah

2649
02:05:56,490 --> 02:05:54,880
sure but hey I mean have you ever have

2650
02:05:58,770 --> 02:05:56,500
you ever looked at the technology the

2651
02:06:01,110 --> 02:05:58,780
private investigators have yeah and see

2652
02:06:03,990 --> 02:06:01,120
yes yes and that's the that's the other

2653
02:06:12,030 --> 02:06:04,000
powers actually gonna go there the the

2654
02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:12,040
the one of the biggest how do I want to

2655
02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:12,850
say this I don't want to say

2656
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:14,530
money-making but certainly that's what

2657
02:06:20,310 --> 02:06:18,010
it is is data collection and there are

2658
02:06:24,930 --> 02:06:20,320
companies out there that literally have

2659
02:06:28,740 --> 02:06:24,940
a data file file on every single person

2660
02:06:33,030 --> 02:06:28,750
in the United States every single one

2661
02:06:36,630 --> 02:06:33,040
nobody is off that list and the number

2662
02:06:39,420 --> 02:06:36,640
one and I've read so much on this the

2663
02:06:43,560 --> 02:06:39,430
number one data set that they want to

2664
02:06:47,010 --> 02:06:43,570
acquire first is a newborn because now

2665
02:06:50,430 --> 02:06:47,020
from day one you are able to get their

2666
02:06:52,710 --> 02:06:50,440
complete personality on file not from

2667
02:06:55,200 --> 02:06:52,720
somebody that's 35 right

2668
02:06:57,390 --> 02:06:55,210
okay you want somebody's traits and

2669
02:07:00,660 --> 02:06:57,400
habits from the day that they are born

2670
02:07:04,470 --> 02:07:00,670
and and that's where they go first these

2671
02:07:06,630 --> 02:07:04,480
days now that that to me is is not cool

2672
02:07:10,450 --> 02:07:06,640
but it's where we are and I don't know

2673
02:07:13,030 --> 02:07:10,460
if that can be reversed it simply can't

2674
02:07:14,140 --> 02:07:13,040
right I mean one of the the point I was

2675
02:07:16,500 --> 02:07:14,150
gonna make about the private

2676
02:07:18,850 --> 02:07:16,510
investigator database is anybody with a

2677
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:18,860
licensed private license to be a private

2678
02:07:22,390 --> 02:07:21,050
investigator can it get access you know

2679
02:07:24,370 --> 02:07:22,400
for a small amount of money to a

2680
02:07:28,240 --> 02:07:24,380
database where they can look you up and

2681
02:07:30,460 --> 02:07:28,250
see a visual web of everyone in your

2682
02:07:32,470 --> 02:07:30,470
social circle everyone you've been

2683
02:07:35,110 --> 02:07:32,480
connected to relatives who they're

2684
02:07:37,660 --> 02:07:35,120
connected to like you know three three

2685
02:07:39,460 --> 02:07:37,670
levels out everywhere you've lived so

2686
02:07:43,390 --> 02:07:39,470
it's not like that information isn't

2687
02:07:45,460 --> 02:07:43,400
already there but of course you know the

2688
02:07:48,610 --> 02:07:45,470
name of the gold of the future is data

2689
02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:48,620
data is the most valuable substance on

2690
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:50,330
the planet at the moment that's why all

2691
02:07:55,030 --> 02:07:52,610
these companies want it that's why these

2692
02:07:57,280 --> 02:07:55,040
big companies like Facebook ok Facebook

2693
02:07:59,320 --> 02:07:57,290
is is Facebook really a social media

2694
02:08:02,800 --> 02:07:59,330
company no they're a data collection

2695
02:08:05,200 --> 02:08:02,810
company and that data is really really

2696
02:08:07,200 --> 02:08:05,210
important for many reasons one is of

2697
02:08:09,490 --> 02:08:07,210
course the ability to collect

2698
02:08:11,170 --> 02:08:09,500
information about people that allows

2699
02:08:12,940 --> 02:08:11,180
advertising to be served to them

2700
02:08:15,430 --> 02:08:12,950
accurately that's you know advertising

2701
02:08:18,340 --> 02:08:15,440
is how Google and Facebook have become

2702
02:08:20,410 --> 02:08:18,350
the among the biggest companies on the

2703
02:08:22,360 --> 02:08:20,420
planet and of course working with Amazon

2704
02:08:24,430 --> 02:08:22,370
you know that's a that's how Amazon has

2705
02:08:27,910 --> 02:08:24,440
become the biggest retailer on the

2706
02:08:30,700 --> 02:08:27,920
planet but the other one is is training

2707
02:08:33,220 --> 02:08:30,710
a is it's not just predictive analysis

2708
02:08:35,260 --> 02:08:33,230
and and in advertising but it's it's

2709
02:08:37,390 --> 02:08:35,270
training a eyes that's that's the next

2710
02:08:42,910 --> 02:08:37,400
level of this putting machine out of

2711
02:08:47,650 --> 02:08:42,920
machine learning algorithms to it I I

2712
02:08:53,800 --> 02:08:47,660
went and signed up this is a while ago

2713
02:08:55,330 --> 02:08:53,810
but a credit protection agency which one

2714
02:08:58,330 --> 02:08:55,340
but you know one of the big names right

2715
02:09:00,700 --> 02:08:58,340
so I go and I get it and one of the you

2716
02:09:06,730 --> 02:09:00,710
know so I get the premium deluxe package

2717
02:09:09,790 --> 02:09:06,740
right and one of so one of the buttons

2718
02:09:12,430 --> 02:09:09,800
as I login right there's is it's like

2719
02:09:16,510 --> 02:09:12,440
your history right so I go and I click

2720
02:09:20,460 --> 02:09:16,520
on that and okay I expected certain

2721
02:09:23,830 --> 02:09:20,470
things there were things there that I

2722
02:09:26,979 --> 02:09:23,840
forgot and didn't remember

2723
02:09:30,729 --> 02:09:26,989
for instance where I went to an

2724
02:09:34,180 --> 02:09:30,739
elementary school in Kalamazoo for like

2725
02:09:36,100 --> 02:09:34,190
three months in the second grade I it's

2726
02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:36,110
listed right there and I forgot the name

2727
02:09:40,859 --> 02:09:38,570
of the school but it's there and there

2728
02:09:44,280 --> 02:09:40,869
was a chronological history of

2729
02:09:48,850 --> 02:09:44,290
everywhere that I lived on this planet

2730
02:09:51,010 --> 02:09:48,860
from when I was a kid now not as an

2731
02:09:53,439 --> 02:09:51,020
adult where you where you know that

2732
02:09:53,740 --> 02:09:53,449
you're in the system but I'm talking

2733
02:09:56,379 --> 02:09:53,750
about

2734
02:10:01,120 --> 02:09:56,389
two three four five six seven eight

2735
02:10:06,399 --> 02:10:01,130
years old and that to me was disturbing

2736
02:10:09,850 --> 02:10:06,409
and that was public m'as to it but it's

2737
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:09,860
in their database that's nothing that's

2738
02:10:13,149 --> 02:10:11,690
nothing new that's nothing new I mean

2739
02:10:17,530 --> 02:10:13,159
that's just the reality of the world

2740
02:10:19,089 --> 02:10:17,540
that we live in right now so I hadn't be

2741
02:10:20,859 --> 02:10:19,099
disturbed by it but I mean that's been

2742
02:10:22,300 --> 02:10:20,869
things like that I mean federal

2743
02:10:25,450 --> 02:10:22,310
databases and things like that that's

2744
02:10:27,459 --> 02:10:25,460
existed for a long time and how do we is

2745
02:10:31,660 --> 02:10:27,469
there a way to protect our information

2746
02:10:33,910 --> 02:10:31,670
how do you protect yours well that's a

2747
02:10:35,140 --> 02:10:33,920
pretty complicated question and and of

2748
02:10:37,959 --> 02:10:35,150
course the first question is what

2749
02:10:40,660 --> 02:10:37,969
information I mean yes you can opt out

2750
02:10:42,490 --> 02:10:40,670
of data collection in various ways you

2751
02:10:43,959 --> 02:10:42,500
can certainly the best way is just did

2752
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:43,969
not use Facebook if you're really

2753
02:10:49,089 --> 02:10:45,530
concerned about privacy don't use

2754
02:10:52,560 --> 02:10:49,099
Facebook but you know there's a lot of

2755
02:10:55,750 --> 02:10:52,570
ways using VPNs using tor using

2756
02:10:57,339 --> 02:10:55,760
certainly there are you know here's the

2757
02:10:59,439 --> 02:10:57,349
bottom line if you really want to learn

2758
02:11:01,689 --> 02:10:59,449
how to protect your information go to

2759
02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:01,699
the electronic freedom foundation so

2760
02:11:05,979 --> 02:11:03,050
it's e F F dot org

2761
02:11:09,939 --> 02:11:05,989
and they have guides user guides on how

2762
02:11:12,160 --> 02:11:09,949
to maintain anonymity on the internet

2763
02:11:14,169 --> 02:11:12,170
and protect your information and there's

2764
02:11:16,930 --> 02:11:14,179
a lot of steps you know it's a real

2765
02:11:20,530 --> 02:11:16,940
multi-layered process but the big ones

2766
02:11:24,339 --> 02:11:20,540
are using a password manager using a VPN

2767
02:11:26,800 --> 02:11:24,349
using tor and then you can also get

2768
02:11:28,720 --> 02:11:26,810
browser extensions that will block all

2769
02:11:30,669 --> 02:11:28,730
external javascript and things like that

2770
02:11:33,220 --> 02:11:30,679
from collecting and scraping your data

2771
02:11:36,890 --> 02:11:33,230
so there's there's a lot there's a lot

2772
02:11:39,250 --> 02:11:36,900
can be done of course it's quite easy to

2773
02:11:41,750 --> 02:11:39,260
check your information from let's say

2774
02:11:42,830 --> 02:11:41,760
websites collecting it and Facebook and

2775
02:11:44,479 --> 02:11:42,840
things like that that's pretty

2776
02:11:46,340 --> 02:11:44,489
straightforward but when we talk about

2777
02:11:48,560 --> 02:11:46,350
pretty you know you know there's there's

2778
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:48,570
no protection from the NSA or something

2779
02:11:52,780 --> 02:11:50,010
like that you know it's just this is not

2780
02:11:55,250 --> 02:11:52,790
gonna happen there's so advanced and you

2781
02:11:56,959 --> 02:11:55,260
know so it's like you just have to live

2782
02:11:59,120 --> 02:11:56,969
you have to live in a world where you

2783
02:12:02,000 --> 02:11:59,130
assume that you're in public all the

2784
02:12:03,800 --> 02:12:02,010
time and that's just the reality of it

2785
02:12:08,030 --> 02:12:03,810
now I mean that's just that's just where

2786
02:12:10,520 --> 02:12:08,040
we're at now there's one last thing that

2787
02:12:12,649 --> 02:12:10,530
I want to spend some time on tonight

2788
02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:12,659
which is when we talk about Big Brother

2789
02:12:18,830 --> 02:12:15,650
when we talk about information we can't

2790
02:12:20,740 --> 02:12:18,840
escape that subject without talking

2791
02:12:23,140 --> 02:12:20,750
about fake news what we went through in

2792
02:12:25,370 --> 02:12:23,150
2016 we saw it coming

2793
02:12:28,220 --> 02:12:25,380
certainly we've been warned about it for

2794
02:12:31,149 --> 02:12:28,230
a long time but we were faced with it on

2795
02:12:33,770 --> 02:12:31,159
a global scale this wasn't anything

2796
02:12:35,780 --> 02:12:33,780
isolated to any one country the internet

2797
02:12:41,709 --> 02:12:35,790
reaches around the world that's a given

2798
02:12:44,899 --> 02:12:41,719
but now we have to use our best judgment

2799
02:12:49,550 --> 02:12:44,909
constantly on what is real and what is

2800
02:12:52,550 --> 02:12:49,560
not and the mass media is was also and

2801
02:12:55,040 --> 02:12:52,560
still continues to to be a part of that

2802
02:13:00,410 --> 02:12:55,050
too as well and other websites out there

2803
02:13:04,729 --> 02:13:00,420
where they can guide emotion and and

2804
02:13:06,860 --> 02:13:04,739
fool people what again I realized this

2805
02:13:10,729 --> 02:13:06,870
is the world that we are living in but

2806
02:13:12,649 --> 02:13:10,739
what do we do about this learn how to

2807
02:13:15,290 --> 02:13:12,659
think critically I mean it's the same

2808
02:13:17,959 --> 02:13:15,300
it's this look I mean what did we do

2809
02:13:19,970 --> 02:13:17,969
with television with broadcast TV and

2810
02:13:21,320 --> 02:13:19,980
cable I mean you don't think those were

2811
02:13:22,939 --> 02:13:21,330
manipulating your emotions

2812
02:13:25,160 --> 02:13:22,949
that's right selling you a false reality

2813
02:13:27,110 --> 02:13:25,170
it's not any different it's just a

2814
02:13:30,350 --> 02:13:27,120
little bit more frantic and sped up now

2815
02:13:33,950 --> 02:13:30,360
so you know I I think that the the two

2816
02:13:36,890 --> 02:13:33,960
things that the two things that I really

2817
02:13:40,939 --> 02:13:36,900
try to hit people to or urge people to

2818
02:13:43,160 --> 02:13:40,949
investigate one is media literacy

2819
02:13:45,439 --> 02:13:43,170
critical thinking you know take a class

2820
02:13:47,360 --> 02:13:45,449
on media literacy or read a book on you

2821
02:13:49,010 --> 02:13:47,370
know understand how the media works the

2822
02:13:50,450 --> 02:13:49,020
media is not your friend and it's not

2823
02:13:52,670 --> 02:13:50,460
because there's sinister organs

2824
02:13:56,600 --> 02:13:52,680
territorial it's because their business

2825
02:13:58,490 --> 02:13:56,610
model is to drive attention to sell ads

2826
02:14:01,490 --> 02:13:58,500
that's the business model of the media

2827
02:14:05,300 --> 02:14:01,500
and they figured out about four years

2828
02:14:07,910 --> 02:14:05,310
ago that rage anger is the most viral

2829
02:14:09,740 --> 02:14:07,920
emotion so all of these media sources

2830
02:14:11,810 --> 02:14:09,750
started trying to make people outraged

2831
02:14:13,550 --> 02:14:11,820
about things all the time with headlines

2832
02:14:16,310 --> 02:14:13,560
and clickbait and things like that and

2833
02:14:18,640 --> 02:14:16,320
we saw that fuel the election on both

2834
02:14:22,190 --> 02:14:18,650
sides of the political spectrum right

2835
02:14:23,900 --> 02:14:22,200
and it's it's non partisan it's just is

2836
02:14:26,930 --> 02:14:23,910
it's just how bit the technology has

2837
02:14:28,130 --> 02:14:26,940
been being abused and you know I've

2838
02:14:30,320 --> 02:14:28,140
worked in the media for my whole life

2839
02:14:31,700 --> 02:14:30,330
I've run media sites and things like

2840
02:14:35,300 --> 02:14:31,710
that so I know how the game is played

2841
02:14:38,120 --> 02:14:35,310
and the media is not your friend there

2842
02:14:40,430 --> 02:14:38,130
they're there to sell ads okay like and

2843
02:14:42,350 --> 02:14:40,440
and just to get your eyeballs on the ads

2844
02:14:43,880 --> 02:14:42,360
they will do anything to get your

2845
02:14:45,430 --> 02:14:43,890
attention that's that that's the

2846
02:14:49,270 --> 02:14:45,440
business model that's how it works so

2847
02:14:51,530 --> 02:14:49,280
the other thing is scientific literacy

2848
02:14:53,090 --> 02:14:51,540
that that's what we need more than

2849
02:14:54,920 --> 02:14:53,100
anything and I know this is this is a

2850
02:14:56,450 --> 02:14:54,930
bit fresh coming from a guy like me but

2851
02:14:59,140 --> 02:14:56,460
you know what it's a guy like me saying

2852
02:15:02,570 --> 02:14:59,150
that you know it's like a really serious

2853
02:15:05,600 --> 02:15:02,580
but you know what I'm one of my favorite

2854
02:15:07,850 --> 02:15:05,610
things that I've one of the most most

2855
02:15:10,459 --> 02:15:07,860
intense experiences I've had I listen to

2856
02:15:12,860 --> 02:15:10,469
this course called your deceptive mind

2857
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:12,870
by Steve dr. Steven novella who's a

2858
02:15:16,940 --> 02:15:14,010
neuroscientist

2859
02:15:20,240 --> 02:15:16,950
and he it's it's it's several hours long

2860
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:20,250
and it's just about how our minds it's

2861
02:15:25,190 --> 02:15:23,010
not only that the media deceives

2862
02:15:27,830 --> 02:15:25,200
deceives us our own minds deceive us

2863
02:15:29,150 --> 02:15:27,840
because if you don't understand science

2864
02:15:31,040 --> 02:15:29,160
if you don't understand it's the

2865
02:15:34,610 --> 02:15:31,050
scientific method is a check against

2866
02:15:36,380 --> 02:15:34,620
human delusion and being led around by

2867
02:15:38,630 --> 02:15:36,390
your own emotions and wishful thinking

2868
02:15:41,180 --> 02:15:38,640
and and confirmation bias and what we

2869
02:15:43,580 --> 02:15:41,190
wish to be true that's that's the

2870
02:15:45,080 --> 02:15:43,590
biggest problem it's not the technology

2871
02:15:48,200 --> 02:15:45,090
the technology and the technology

2872
02:15:52,250 --> 02:15:48,210
enables our worst aspects the technology

2873
02:15:55,160 --> 02:15:52,260
just enables us the issue is that we we

2874
02:15:57,770 --> 02:15:55,170
assume what is true what we want to be

2875
02:16:00,320 --> 02:15:57,780
true that's the problem that's the bug

2876
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:00,330
in human consciousness we want something

2877
02:16:03,590 --> 02:16:02,010
to when you want something to be true

2878
02:16:04,370 --> 02:16:03,600
you will look for evidence of it being

2879
02:16:06,050 --> 02:16:04,380
true

2880
02:16:08,630 --> 02:16:06,060
you will discount evidence of it not

2881
02:16:10,760 --> 02:16:08,640
being true and if that fundamental

2882
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:10,770
cognitive bias is not checked by

2883
02:16:16,160 --> 02:16:14,010
something like either this you know the

2884
02:16:17,540 --> 02:16:16,170
scientific method or just hanging out

2885
02:16:20,900 --> 02:16:17,550
and talking to people that don't agree

2886
02:16:24,200 --> 02:16:20,910
with you then you you just end up in a

2887
02:16:25,880 --> 02:16:24,210
tunnel of delusion and so I think yeah

2888
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:25,890
critical thinking scientific thinking

2889
02:16:29,810 --> 02:16:27,930
media literacy but it's the same now as

2890
02:16:31,340 --> 02:16:29,820
it's ever been I mean you you look back

2891
02:16:34,450 --> 02:16:31,350
at the Middle Ages look at the crazy

2892
02:16:37,940 --> 02:16:34,460
stuff they believed you know or you know

2893
02:16:40,760 --> 02:16:37,950
you know this is not a new problem yeah

2894
02:16:45,310 --> 02:16:40,770
when humanity is superstitious it's

2895
02:16:51,050 --> 02:16:45,320
crazy for me to look back at what we

2896
02:16:52,700 --> 02:16:51,060
experienced in 2016 I had said I must

2897
02:16:54,020 --> 02:16:52,710
have said it a thousand times on this

2898
02:16:58,310 --> 02:16:54,030
program over the years

2899
02:17:01,520 --> 02:16:58,320
take whatever news headline that's your

2900
02:17:03,470 --> 02:17:01,530
reading flip it over 180 degrees and

2901
02:17:07,310 --> 02:17:03,480
then you're probably closer to the truth

2902
02:17:10,820 --> 02:17:07,320
and and what I had said as an example

2903
02:17:14,060 --> 02:17:10,830
Jason is the headline reads cheddar

2904
02:17:17,930 --> 02:17:14,070
cheese will kill you that's the headline

2905
02:17:20,690 --> 02:17:17,940
right okay well the truth is cheddar

2906
02:17:24,291 --> 02:17:20,700
cheese will make you live longer right

2907
02:17:27,890 --> 02:17:24,301
but but whatever it is flip it over and

2908
02:17:31,371 --> 02:17:27,900
then and I tried to drive that home and

2909
02:17:35,541 --> 02:17:31,381
when when the fake news stuff started to

2910
02:17:39,650 --> 02:17:35,551
happen from Macedonia or whatever who

2911
02:17:42,020 --> 02:17:39,660
was coming out when all of those stories

2912
02:17:46,030 --> 02:17:42,030
started to break and I would see two

2913
02:17:49,250 --> 02:17:46,040
identical stories one that said I'm

2914
02:17:57,220 --> 02:17:49,260
making this up I'm paraphrasing but one

2915
02:18:06,140 --> 02:18:02,210
reading Donald Trump's emails and sexual

2916
02:18:10,340 --> 02:18:06,150
acts with with you know rabbits right so

2917
02:18:14,480 --> 02:18:10,350
and then and then right after that Trump

2918
02:18:16,730 --> 02:18:14,490
arrested today for you know for sexual

2919
02:18:18,439 --> 02:18:16,740
acts with rabbits it is just like and

2920
02:18:21,950 --> 02:18:18,449
and everybody flame

2921
02:18:24,200 --> 02:18:21,960
and believing what they were saying in

2922
02:18:26,120 --> 02:18:24,210
the in these thing and they wanted to

2923
02:18:28,160 --> 02:18:26,130
believe it and no matter what they

2924
02:18:30,259 --> 02:18:28,170
wouldn't go and and take it one step

2925
02:18:32,599 --> 02:18:30,269
further like you're saying go and check

2926
02:18:35,540 --> 02:18:32,609
the source of this that's all you got to

2927
02:18:38,450 --> 02:18:35,550
do find both sides you're right it was

2928
02:18:42,259 --> 02:18:38,460
not partisan it was all over the place

2929
02:18:45,200 --> 02:18:42,269
and it was it enabled everybody to just

2930
02:18:48,500 --> 02:18:45,210
argue and fight where they would never

2931
02:18:51,139 --> 02:18:48,510
fight before it was effective well

2932
02:18:53,089 --> 02:18:51,149
that's and that absolutely is the case

2933
02:18:55,490 --> 02:18:53,099
on both sides all sides of the political

2934
02:18:57,769 --> 02:18:55,500
fence and what what I came to realize is

2935
02:18:59,240 --> 02:18:57,779
that when people particularly it seems

2936
02:19:01,160 --> 02:18:59,250
to really be the case with Facebook

2937
02:19:03,320 --> 02:19:01,170
because Facebook is about sharing it's a

2938
02:19:05,689 --> 02:19:03,330
sharing medium and by its very nature

2939
02:19:07,009 --> 02:19:05,699
you're not looking at the whole of the

2940
02:19:08,899 --> 02:19:07,019
news when you read the New York Times

2941
02:19:10,219 --> 02:19:08,909
you get all of the news for the day when

2942
02:19:14,750 --> 02:19:10,229
you're looking on Facebook you just see

2943
02:19:17,389 --> 02:19:14,760
little bits and pieces flying by and the

2944
02:19:19,790 --> 02:19:17,399
thing is that when people share things

2945
02:19:21,559 --> 02:19:19,800
when they read things when they comment

2946
02:19:25,099 --> 02:19:21,569
on things and when they fight about

2947
02:19:26,269 --> 02:19:25,109
things there it's very rarely about

2948
02:19:28,280 --> 02:19:26,279
they're not concerned with what the

2949
02:19:29,899 --> 02:19:28,290
actual information is they're concerned

2950
02:19:31,790 --> 02:19:29,909
about the the feeling they're getting

2951
02:19:33,679 --> 02:19:31,800
the hit they're getting and what feeling

2952
02:19:35,419 --> 02:19:33,689
of anger the feeling of rage you see a

2953
02:19:37,459 --> 02:19:35,429
headline and you get angry that's that's

2954
02:19:39,500 --> 02:19:37,469
an addiction right you feel that you

2955
02:19:43,160 --> 02:19:39,510
become addicted to the feeling you seek

2956
02:19:44,629 --> 02:19:43,170
it out and the the feeling of fighting

2957
02:19:46,459 --> 02:19:44,639
other people the feeling of being right

2958
02:19:49,010 --> 02:19:46,469
I mean I know this because I've done so

2959
02:19:51,439 --> 02:19:49,020
much of it but but it's an addictive

2960
02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:51,449
feeling and I they know that and I know

2961
02:19:57,559 --> 02:19:53,930
and I you know when I was when I was

2962
02:20:00,710 --> 02:19:57,569
running more more frequently ultra

2963
02:20:03,500 --> 02:20:00,720
culture my blog was covering political

2964
02:20:05,830 --> 02:20:03,510
things you know like you know I knew

2965
02:20:09,469 --> 02:20:05,840
that so I knew it was so easy for me to

2966
02:20:11,840 --> 02:20:09,479
manipulate the media by doing that I by

2967
02:20:13,790 --> 02:20:11,850
stoking people's rage I think I figure

2968
02:20:15,559 --> 02:20:13,800
that out this is way before fake news I

2969
02:20:18,290 --> 02:20:15,569
figured that out way before and most

2970
02:20:19,880 --> 02:20:18,300
people did and I was able to get for

2971
02:20:22,070 --> 02:20:19,890
instance I did some reporting on

2972
02:20:24,170 --> 02:20:22,080
Monsanto and and I figured out how how

2973
02:20:25,580 --> 02:20:24,180
they were manipulating the political

2974
02:20:27,500 --> 02:20:25,590
process and the media and things like

2975
02:20:29,149 --> 02:20:27,510
that and I wrote an article around it

2976
02:20:31,580 --> 02:20:29,159
and I was able to build up people's rage

2977
02:20:32,240 --> 02:20:31,590
around it then it got to like the top of

2978
02:20:34,280 --> 02:20:32,250
Reddit it was

2979
02:20:37,010 --> 02:20:34,290
number three article on reddit and I

2980
02:20:39,190 --> 02:20:37,020
just understood right then how easy it

2981
02:20:41,450 --> 02:20:39,200
was to manipulate the system by its

2982
02:20:43,040 --> 02:20:41,460
provoking people's emotions but then of

2983
02:20:46,490 --> 02:20:43,050
course we saw this used to such

2984
02:20:48,320 --> 02:20:46,500
devastating effect in the 2016 election

2985
02:20:50,720 --> 02:20:48,330
whether it was by Cambridge analytical

2986
02:20:53,210 --> 02:20:50,730
and Bannon or the Russians you know just

2987
02:20:54,860 --> 02:20:53,220
this wide scale you know I thought I was

2988
02:20:58,010 --> 02:20:54,870
clever figuring some of these this stuff

2989
02:21:00,140 --> 02:20:58,020
out to use it for good purposes but lo

2990
02:21:03,560 --> 02:21:00,150
and behold and an extra state Agora

2991
02:21:06,200 --> 02:21:03,570
another state actor can come in and just

2992
02:21:08,120 --> 02:21:06,210
you know throw the chess board and just

2993
02:21:10,130 --> 02:21:08,130
you know break down the entire political

2994
02:21:11,930 --> 02:21:10,140
process by manipulating things through

2995
02:21:15,680 --> 02:21:11,940
Facebook it's unbelievable

2996
02:21:19,040 --> 02:21:15,690
ya look at something you know satirical

2997
02:21:22,430 --> 02:21:19,050
like the onion brilliant writing really

2998
02:21:28,970 --> 02:21:22,440
funny I get it I know what I'm reading

2999
02:21:32,240 --> 02:21:28,980
at the time but yet even those other who

3000
02:21:35,330 --> 02:21:32,250
were quoting the onion on these crazy

3001
02:21:41,420 --> 02:21:35,340
funny stories but they never checked the

3002
02:21:45,620 --> 02:21:41,430
source and they just assumed that you're

3003
02:21:48,020 --> 02:21:45,630
right the rage the ability to to get

3004
02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:48,030
those whatever it is a chemical change

3005
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:50,010
that is happening where they're enjoying

3006
02:21:56,510 --> 02:21:52,650
that part of it and they're not going

3007
02:21:58,970 --> 02:21:56,520
back and checking and I read today or I

3008
02:22:02,480 --> 02:21:58,980
think it was yesterday a very funny

3009
02:22:05,960 --> 02:22:02,490
article on on on the onion which was

3010
02:22:09,440 --> 02:22:05,970
Border Patrol agents listen to this

3011
02:22:12,380 --> 02:22:09,450
Jason Border Patrol agents throw

3012
02:22:16,520 --> 02:22:12,390
pregnant Mexican woman back over the

3013
02:22:19,070 --> 02:22:16,530
wall I saw that right well I mean just

3014
02:22:21,050 --> 02:22:19,080
out rate the reactions on the internet

3015
02:22:23,870 --> 02:22:21,060
I'm like do you honestly believe that

3016
02:22:25,610 --> 02:22:23,880
that happened well I had to look twice

3017
02:22:27,800 --> 02:22:25,620
when I saw because things were so

3018
02:22:30,050 --> 02:22:27,810
unbelievably vicious and but it'll right

3019
02:22:31,520 --> 02:22:30,060
now that I realized it about a second

3020
02:22:32,630 --> 02:22:31,530
and that it was the onion but it's like

3021
02:22:34,340 --> 02:22:32,640
the weight thing the way things are

3022
02:22:39,470 --> 02:22:34,350
going you had I had to stop and just

3023
02:22:43,640 --> 02:22:39,480
like verify I you know and and I

3024
02:22:45,420 --> 02:22:43,650
appreciate the satire and when you read

3025
02:22:47,610 --> 02:22:45,430
something like that on the onion sir

3026
02:22:52,679 --> 02:22:47,620
have a I have a mind that enjoys that

3027
02:22:55,710 --> 02:22:52,689
stuff but it is a barometer of where we

3028
02:22:58,769 --> 02:22:55,720
are with society today the satire is

3029
02:23:01,800 --> 02:22:58,779
great this is what is is making

3030
02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:01,810
everybody mad is these kinds of stories

3031
02:23:07,320 --> 02:23:03,850
that's what the onion is trying to say

3032
02:23:10,620 --> 02:23:07,330
here right and and I get that but the

3033
02:23:13,229 --> 02:23:10,630
the the the the vast audience out there

3034
02:23:15,150 --> 02:23:13,239
just has blinders on you know and they

3035
02:23:17,130 --> 02:23:15,160
see that and they get outraged and the

3036
02:23:19,229 --> 02:23:17,140
next thing you know with all of those

3037
02:23:21,030 --> 02:23:19,239
immigration stuff going on well we're

3038
02:23:25,530 --> 02:23:21,040
also throwing pregnant women over the

3039
02:23:27,389 --> 02:23:25,540
walls you know I don't know what to do

3040
02:23:30,540 --> 02:23:27,399
with that well it's dangerous

3041
02:23:34,500 --> 02:23:30,550
and it's it's you know the deeper issue

3042
02:23:35,400 --> 02:23:34,510
is that it's but this is how human

3043
02:23:37,349 --> 02:23:35,410
consciousness works

3044
02:23:39,660 --> 02:23:37,359
anyways I mean Facebook demonstrates

3045
02:23:41,250 --> 02:23:39,670
confirmation bias we look for what we

3046
02:23:42,689 --> 02:23:41,260
want to be true and then assume it's

3047
02:23:45,559 --> 02:23:42,699
true and Facebook just makes that

3048
02:23:48,210 --> 02:23:45,569
literally not only literally tangibly

3049
02:23:51,150 --> 02:23:48,220
true and visible but also easy to

3050
02:23:53,429 --> 02:23:51,160
manipulate there is a great documentary

3051
02:23:56,660 --> 02:23:53,439
called hyper normalization put out by

3052
02:24:00,179 --> 02:23:56,670
Adam Kurdistan famous documentary maker

3053
02:24:01,469 --> 02:24:00,189
that goes into how much the Facebook

3054
02:24:03,540 --> 02:24:01,479
algorithms and the ton of the

3055
02:24:06,510 --> 02:24:03,550
information tunnels were responsible for

3056
02:24:09,719 --> 02:24:06,520
what happened in 2016 and draws

3057
02:24:12,269 --> 02:24:09,729
parallels to how propaganda you know how

3058
02:24:15,210 --> 02:24:12,279
state control is handled in Russia where

3059
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:15,220
under Putin the doctrine you know Putin

3060
02:24:20,519 --> 02:24:18,010
has this guy named Surkov who's who has

3061
02:24:23,280 --> 02:24:20,529
figured out that the way to maintain

3062
02:24:26,189 --> 02:24:23,290
control over a population is not to

3063
02:24:28,559 --> 02:24:26,199
squash protest movements it's to

3064
02:24:30,330 --> 02:24:28,569
manufacture and create hundreds of

3065
02:24:33,979 --> 02:24:30,340
different protest movements all of which

3066
02:24:36,300 --> 02:24:33,989
have different agendas and then

3067
02:24:39,479 --> 02:24:36,310
propagate them into the public so nobody

3068
02:24:41,340 --> 02:24:39,489
knows what's going on and ya turn

3069
02:24:42,960 --> 02:24:41,350
everything into like a theater piece and

3070
02:24:46,229 --> 02:24:42,970
that's that's the same strategy they

3071
02:24:48,150 --> 02:24:46,239
used in hacking the election or hacking

3072
02:24:52,439 --> 02:24:48,160
Facebook and Twitter not hacking but but

3073
02:24:53,939 --> 02:24:52,449
manipulating Facebook in 2016 where they

3074
02:24:56,429 --> 02:24:53,949
were you know creating all these

3075
02:24:58,349 --> 02:24:56,439
Facebook pages for fake social groups

3076
02:24:58,920 --> 02:24:58,359
and it didn't matter what the social

3077
02:25:00,090 --> 02:24:58,930
group was with

3078
02:25:01,769 --> 02:25:00,100
protest group was you know they were

3079
02:25:03,360 --> 02:25:01,779
doing white nationalist pages they were

3080
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:03,370
doing black lives matter they were doing

3081
02:25:11,700 --> 02:25:07,930
yes everything and and as long as they

3082
02:25:13,950 --> 02:25:11,710
could create confusion and they were

3083
02:25:16,860 --> 02:25:13,960
even organizing flash mobs from Russia

3084
02:25:18,389 --> 02:25:16,870
like creating events on Facebook to get

3085
02:25:20,880 --> 02:25:18,399
people to all show up in a public place

3086
02:25:23,010 --> 02:25:20,890
at once to in creating protests remotely

3087
02:25:26,790 --> 02:25:23,020
with nobody being the wiser that it was

3088
02:25:28,740 --> 02:25:26,800
coming from Russia so you know this is

3089
02:25:31,110 --> 02:25:28,750
this is this is pretty sophisticated

3090
02:25:33,030 --> 02:25:31,120
stuff China is now apparently kidding

3091
02:25:35,160 --> 02:25:33,040
getting in on the same act there they

3092
02:25:36,450 --> 02:25:35,170
were quite impressed by what Russia did

3093
02:25:38,309 --> 02:25:36,460
in the election and they're trying to

3094
02:25:40,260 --> 02:25:38,319
figure out how to do it also so yeah

3095
02:25:41,880 --> 02:25:40,270
this is the future of the school we live

3096
02:25:44,969 --> 02:25:41,890
in now yeah why not

3097
02:25:48,120 --> 02:25:44,979
why not it's it's genius when you think

3098
02:25:52,559 --> 02:25:48,130
about it and that's where we are the the

3099
02:25:54,660 --> 02:25:52,569
ability to if you have and I know this

3100
02:25:58,200 --> 02:25:54,670
sounds elemental but it's really true if

3101
02:25:59,719 --> 02:25:58,210
you have ten million five million ten

3102
02:26:04,559 --> 02:25:59,729
million Twitter followers

3103
02:26:08,580 --> 02:26:04,569
it only takes the click of a mouse to

3104
02:26:12,719 --> 02:26:08,590
change emotion in a nanosecond that's it

3105
02:26:15,840 --> 02:26:12,729
and and if you understand that which

3106
02:26:18,870 --> 02:26:15,850
many do now that's where we are today

3107
02:26:22,559 --> 02:26:18,880
and it just doesn't matter and we have

3108
02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:22,569
to figure out a way to use judgment like

3109
02:26:27,479 --> 02:26:24,810
you say and I'm totally with you on that

3110
02:26:29,490 --> 02:26:27,489
Jason I want to thank you just an

3111
02:26:31,320 --> 02:26:29,500
absolutely amazing conversation tonight

3112
02:26:34,769 --> 02:26:31,330
what are you working on now what's the

3113
02:26:36,630 --> 02:26:34,779
next book well I'm still promoting this

3114
02:26:38,700 --> 02:26:36,640
one so the new book is John D and the

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Empire of angels the story of the last

3116
02:26:42,870 --> 02:26:41,080
500 years of occult history that's been

3117
02:26:44,760 --> 02:26:42,880
going on behind the scenes and the

3118
02:26:47,570 --> 02:26:44,770
secret societies that have been

3119
02:26:50,760 --> 02:26:47,580
manipulating history and consciousness

3120
02:26:53,070 --> 02:26:50,770
you can find all of my projects at Jason

3121
02:26:56,189 --> 02:26:53,080
live.com right now I'm putting a ton of

3122
02:26:57,570 --> 02:26:56,199
effort into my podcast which is you know

3123
02:27:00,389 --> 02:26:57,580
I've been getting all this equipment for

3124
02:27:01,860 --> 02:27:00,399
that is ultra culture with Jason Lube

3125
02:27:03,990 --> 02:27:01,870
you can find it anywhere you can find

3126
02:27:06,719 --> 02:27:04,000
podcasts for people who are interested

3127
02:27:09,420 --> 02:27:06,729
in the technology side I really urge you

3128
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to check out my course Bitcoin insider

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which is Bitcoin insider do

3130
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should really be called blockchain

3131
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insider because it's the total training

3132
02:27:22,100 --> 02:27:18,690
on how to understand the blockchain how

3133
02:27:23,841 --> 02:27:22,110
to profit from it how to understand how

3134
02:27:25,490 --> 02:27:23,851
this Promethean technology is going to

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change everything around us in the next

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10 to 20 years that's the master course

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in understanding Bitcoin blockchain and

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02:27:37,131 --> 02:27:34,650
cryptocurrency both to personally profit

3139
02:27:39,350 --> 02:27:37,141
from it and to think about using it in

3140
02:27:42,591 --> 02:27:39,360
ways to do things other than just

3141
02:27:45,140 --> 02:27:42,601
focusing on money using it to create

3142
02:27:47,060 --> 02:27:45,150
companies to make your to do your job

3143
02:27:49,841 --> 02:27:47,070
better to bring to the company that you

3144
02:27:53,751 --> 02:27:49,851
work at to supercharge and accelerate

3145
02:27:56,150 --> 02:27:53,761
the way that business is done I truly do

3146
02:27:57,770 --> 02:27:56,160
believe that blockchain along with AI

3147
02:28:00,291 --> 02:27:57,780
and some of and CRISPR and some of these

3148
02:28:02,450 --> 02:28:00,301
other things blockchain will radically

3149
02:28:04,881 --> 02:28:02,460
transform everything in our society just

3150
02:28:08,421 --> 02:28:04,891
like the web did right now we're at the

3151
02:28:11,511 --> 02:28:08,431
kind of 1997 moment where we were with

3152
02:28:13,011 --> 02:28:11,521
with the web in 1997 or 1998 that's

3153
02:28:15,921 --> 02:28:13,021
that's where we are with blockchain

3154
02:28:17,541 --> 02:28:15,931
right now it's about - right now every

3155
02:28:19,220 --> 02:28:17,551
only thing that people know about it is

3156
02:28:20,480 --> 02:28:19,230
oh Bitcoin and that type of thing but

3157
02:28:22,100 --> 02:28:20,490
they don't understand that this

3158
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technology is going to fundamentally

3159
02:28:26,001 --> 02:28:24,240
transform society as profoundly as the

3160
02:28:28,461 --> 02:28:26,011
web did and so if you want to be in on

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the ground floor of that the course is

3162
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3163
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the best course I've ever done so I'm

3164
02:28:39,020 --> 02:28:35,400
gonna go check that out I'm gonna go

3165
02:28:43,251 --> 02:28:39,030
check that out for sure I haven't spoken

3166
02:28:45,921 --> 02:28:43,261
to you about our platform that we have

3167
02:28:49,370 --> 02:28:45,931
launched and our social media network

3168
02:28:52,551 --> 02:28:49,380
and it's called on stellar ons te ll a

3169
02:28:55,190 --> 02:28:52,561
are calm and it's based on the

3170
02:28:57,950 --> 02:28:55,200
blockchain so that is the foundation of

3171
02:28:59,541 --> 02:28:57,960
it we don't have any advertising or data

3172
02:29:03,041 --> 02:28:59,551
mining everything is locked down with

3173
02:29:06,770 --> 02:29:03,051
the blockchain just like you said and

3174
02:29:08,480 --> 02:29:06,780
all information you know uploads and

3175
02:29:11,060 --> 02:29:08,490
downloads and communications everything

3176
02:29:14,350 --> 02:29:11,070
is preserved and unaltered in the

3177
02:29:18,501 --> 02:29:14,360
blockchain but the other part of it is

3178
02:29:20,870 --> 02:29:18,511
our little token economy with our our

3179
02:29:24,251 --> 02:29:20,880
token that we have it's called on

3180
02:29:28,001 --> 02:29:24,261
stellar and it's a way to

3181
02:29:30,621 --> 02:29:28,011
our conspiracies supernatural paranormal

3182
02:29:32,631 --> 02:29:30,631
community can go and share information

3183
02:29:36,020 --> 02:29:32,641
and everything is based on the

3184
02:29:39,791 --> 02:29:36,030
blockchain and it's token economy but

3185
02:29:44,921 --> 02:29:39,801
it's a way not only through videos like

3186
02:29:48,051 --> 02:29:44,931
YouTube or that type of stuff but to

3187
02:29:50,541 --> 02:29:48,061
promote and research and and get

3188
02:29:53,751 --> 02:29:50,551
rewarded for that I believe it is

3189
02:29:56,360 --> 02:29:53,761
internet 3.0 everything that is out

3190
02:29:59,690 --> 02:29:56,370
there now like we are talking about

3191
02:30:02,001 --> 02:29:59,700
whether it's Google or or Facebook or

3192
02:30:02,871 --> 02:30:02,011
YouTube or Twitter it doesn't or

3193
02:30:05,810 --> 02:30:02,881
Instagram

3194
02:30:08,690 --> 02:30:05,820
that's all technology from 1998 and

3195
02:30:11,841 --> 02:30:08,700
we've got to take the Internet into its

3196
02:30:14,390 --> 02:30:11,851
next phase and I do call it internet 3.0

3197
02:30:17,331 --> 02:30:14,400
and I think of the blockchain can be

3198
02:30:21,110 --> 02:30:17,341
used for anything anything that's or

3199
02:30:23,390 --> 02:30:21,120
anything that you want to do there's a

3200
02:30:25,791 --> 02:30:23,400
way to incorporate the blockchain into

3201
02:30:27,410 --> 02:30:25,801
it and that is the future and I'm

3202
02:30:28,700 --> 02:30:27,420
totally with you on that I'm gonna go

3203
02:30:31,610 --> 02:30:28,710
check out your course for sure

3204
02:30:34,220 --> 02:30:31,620
nice yeah I mean just the web as it

3205
02:30:37,100 --> 02:30:34,230
currently exists runs off of ya database

3206
02:30:42,410 --> 02:30:37,110
technology from the 90s you know PHP and

3207
02:30:44,390 --> 02:30:42,420
things like that that's right and so or

3208
02:30:46,280 --> 02:30:44,400
excuse me my my sequel things like that

3209
02:30:47,900 --> 02:30:46,290
and everything's gonna get blockchain is

3210
02:30:50,421 --> 02:30:47,910
gonna replace that it's gonna be the

3211
02:30:52,940 --> 02:30:50,431
backbone of how information is moved

3212
02:30:54,560 --> 02:30:52,950
around the world yet all of this all of

3213
02:30:58,511 --> 02:30:54,570
this that we're talking about yeah

3214
02:31:03,560 --> 02:30:58,521
there's no question about it and so when

3215
02:31:09,051 --> 02:31:03,570
the on stellar design thought started to

3216
02:31:11,390 --> 02:31:09,061
build Facebook the we I don't want to

3217
02:31:14,600 --> 02:31:11,400
say this in a weird way but we had the

3218
02:31:18,160 --> 02:31:14,610
vision for it right and the team at on

3219
02:31:21,140 --> 02:31:18,170
stellar and and then Facebook got caught

3220
02:31:22,850 --> 02:31:21,150
cambridge everything happened and it was

3221
02:31:25,820 --> 02:31:22,860
the best advertising that we could do

3222
02:31:29,841 --> 02:31:25,830
because we didn't even have to advertise

3223
02:31:32,360 --> 02:31:29,851
zuckerberg dead of wars in that here we

3224
02:31:34,490 --> 02:31:32,370
have the platform that is the future and

3225
02:31:35,290 --> 02:31:34,500
these are the reasons why go listen to

3226
02:31:39,130 --> 02:31:35,300
Zuckerberg

3227
02:31:41,380 --> 02:31:39,140
that's all we do and and we've taken off

3228
02:31:43,630 --> 02:31:41,390
it is a great social media platform

3229
02:31:46,150 --> 02:31:43,640
we've got all of the technology and

3230
02:31:48,730 --> 02:31:46,160
wants and needs that anybody desires

3231
02:31:51,429 --> 02:31:48,740
from a social media platform but there's

3232
02:31:53,559 --> 02:31:51,439
no advertising there's no data mining

3233
02:31:56,440 --> 02:31:53,569
there's none of that there

3234
02:31:59,429 --> 02:31:56,450
there's no censorship you know it is a

3235
02:32:05,770 --> 02:31:59,439
beautiful free place to be remember

3236
02:32:08,139 --> 02:32:05,780
Jason let's go back to 1995 1996 1997

3237
02:32:10,840 --> 02:32:08,149
then the first time you saw a pop-up ad

3238
02:32:12,940 --> 02:32:10,850
and he wanted to throw your laptop out

3239
02:32:17,590 --> 02:32:12,950
the window you remember how angry you

3240
02:32:20,290 --> 02:32:17,600
were right right yeah well there's none

3241
02:32:22,330 --> 02:32:20,300
of that here when I go over to Facebook

3242
02:32:25,330 --> 02:32:22,340
these days or anywhere and I and I'm

3243
02:32:28,420 --> 02:32:25,340
scrolling through and I see every other

3244
02:32:31,660 --> 02:32:28,430
post is an advertisement it just it

3245
02:32:34,809 --> 02:32:31,670
offends me and you go over to on stellar

3246
02:32:38,230 --> 02:32:34,819
and there's no advertising it's nothing

3247
02:32:40,420 --> 02:32:38,240
but you and thought and interaction and

3248
02:32:41,980 --> 02:32:40,430
it's light like I said it's the next

3249
02:32:43,840 --> 02:32:41,990
phase of the Internet it's truly

3250
02:32:45,300 --> 02:32:43,850
internet 3.0 I couldn't agree with you

3251
02:32:47,740 --> 02:32:45,310
more

3252
02:32:50,320 --> 02:32:47,750
all right well it was great to be on the

3253
02:32:52,690 --> 02:32:50,330
show and I appreciate you having me back

3254
02:32:54,849 --> 02:32:52,700
on thank you so much Jason behave and be

3255
02:32:58,690 --> 02:32:54,859
well all right talk to you later

3256
02:33:01,990 --> 02:32:58,700
Jason Louvre and it's very simple jason

3257
02:33:04,240 --> 02:33:02,000
louvre dot-com the links are over at

3258
02:33:07,300 --> 02:33:04,250
jimmy church radio.com and of course you

3259
02:33:09,099 --> 02:33:07,310
can follow Jason on Twitter at Jason

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02:33:11,679 --> 02:33:09,109
Louvre all of his books are there and

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John D in the Empire of Angels which

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02:33:16,360 --> 02:33:14,030
I've now read twice is an amazing read

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this is fade to black armies Jimmy

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Church I'll come back and we'll open up

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the phone lines right after this short

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[Music]

3344
02:37:42,631 --> 02:37:39,720
all right welcome back fade to black

3345
02:37:46,811 --> 02:37:42,641
America pictures want to thank Jason Liu

3346
02:37:48,151 --> 02:37:46,821
what a conversation tonight Man Man Man

3347
02:37:52,811 --> 02:37:48,161
Man Man

3348
02:37:56,621 --> 02:37:52,821
Jason lucam you can also follow Jason at

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02:38:00,041 --> 02:37:56,631
a Jason loop on Twitter and you can just

3350
02:38:02,071 --> 02:38:00,051
click over on Jason link on Jason's

3351
02:38:04,541 --> 02:38:02,081
links over at Jimmy Church radio.com

3352
02:38:11,621 --> 02:38:04,551
okay I've just opened up the phone lines

3353
02:38:15,011 --> 02:38:11,631
3 2 3 8 2 5 5 0 4 or 5 or 3 2 3 2 7 5 9

3354
02:38:21,071 --> 02:38:15,021
6 9 5 Jason mentioned the NSA a few

3355
02:38:25,451 --> 02:38:21,081
times tonight and the information that

3356
02:38:26,801 --> 02:38:25,461
came out today about AT&T NSA centers

3357
02:38:29,311 --> 02:38:26,811
across the United States pretty

3358
02:38:34,001 --> 02:38:29,321
frightening when you think about it and

3359
02:38:36,611 --> 02:38:34,011
I should I'm so tempted to oppose the

3360
02:38:40,481 --> 02:38:36,621
addresses of those buildings so you can

3361
02:38:43,661 --> 02:38:40,491
go into your hometown and walk by one of

3362
02:38:46,181 --> 02:38:43,671
these windowless concrete monstrosities

3363
02:38:49,061 --> 02:38:46,191
and just stop and think about what is

3364
02:38:51,131 --> 02:38:49,071
actually going on inside of those

3365
02:38:53,681 --> 02:38:51,141
buildings so think about that for a

3366
02:38:55,631 --> 02:38:53,691
second this is fade to black let's go to

3367
02:38:59,291 --> 02:38:55,641
the phones hi you're live right now

3368
02:39:02,291 --> 02:38:59,301
who's calling Jeff from Sacramento oh hi

3369
02:39:04,031 --> 02:39:02,301
Deb how are you hi good Jimmy how are

3370
02:39:06,701 --> 02:39:04,041
you I'm good what did you think about

3371
02:39:08,470 --> 02:39:06,711
that conversation tonight you know when

3372
02:39:10,031 --> 02:39:08,480
I first heard what the topic was I

3373
02:39:11,711 --> 02:39:10,041
thought oh this was going to be so over

3374
02:39:14,051 --> 02:39:11,721
my head and I don't know if I'm gonna

3375
02:39:15,731 --> 02:39:14,061
get any of this it was so I mean and

3376
02:39:19,211 --> 02:39:15,741
some of it was over my head but it was

3377
02:39:22,451 --> 02:39:19,221
so educational um he explained things so

3378
02:39:25,631 --> 02:39:22,461
clearly as far as the future of AI and

3379
02:39:28,991 --> 02:39:25,641
taking a lot of the fear out of you know

3380
02:39:30,611 --> 02:39:29,001
what's propagated and you know all the

3381
02:39:34,481 --> 02:39:30,621
things that we hear on the internet and

3382
02:39:37,031 --> 02:39:34,491
talking about using discernment and just

3383
02:39:41,141 --> 02:39:37,041
kind of you know clarifying a lot of

3384
02:39:43,679 --> 02:39:41,151
things really interesting yeah and

3385
02:39:49,260 --> 02:39:43,689
there's another part of it

3386
02:39:52,710 --> 02:39:49,270
and which is this when you have when you

3387
02:39:54,929 --> 02:39:52,720
have so many and especially with the

3388
02:39:58,080 --> 02:39:54,939
research that I do on this because I'm

3389
02:40:03,960 --> 02:39:58,090
fascinated with it when you hear so much

3390
02:40:06,569 --> 02:40:03,970
and then you have Jason bring on the

3391
02:40:09,689 --> 02:40:06,579
other side of it right to kind of smooth

3392
02:40:14,040 --> 02:40:09,699
things over then you kind of get

3393
02:40:16,880 --> 02:40:14,050
yourself balanced a little bit but that

3394
02:40:19,500 --> 02:40:16,890
being said and again it's about

3395
02:40:21,779 --> 02:40:19,510
listening to everybody taking a little

3396
02:40:24,870 --> 02:40:21,789
piece of everything in and you know

3397
02:40:26,340 --> 02:40:24,880
getting because no matter what you

3398
02:40:28,920 --> 02:40:26,350
listen to one side view listen the the

3399
02:40:32,550 --> 02:40:28,930
real the reality is somewhere in the

3400
02:40:39,769 --> 02:40:32,560
middle right the reality is is you know

3401
02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:43,080
when we look at some of the basic things

3402
02:40:52,910 --> 02:40:48,250
out there Deb like chess programs or go

3403
02:40:57,300 --> 02:40:52,920
you know the Chinese board game and how

3404
02:41:01,859 --> 02:40:57,310
these software engineers that that work

3405
02:41:04,019 --> 02:41:01,869
on that part of a I have developed a

3406
02:41:07,260 --> 02:41:04,029
stuff that is so complicated the game of

3407
02:41:08,969 --> 02:41:07,270
chess is not easy and and go is even

3408
02:41:13,800 --> 02:41:08,979
more complicated than that

3409
02:41:15,330 --> 02:41:13,810
and we're like with go they were able to

3410
02:41:22,519 --> 02:41:15,340
just give the rules

3411
02:41:28,830 --> 02:41:22,529
you know the rules and then allow the AI

3412
02:41:33,540 --> 02:41:28,840
to just play and now it's they're

3413
02:41:37,080 --> 02:41:33,550
unbeatable the AI is unbeatable so if

3414
02:41:40,349 --> 02:41:37,090
you take that concept and you apply it

3415
02:41:45,179 --> 02:41:40,359
to just about anything inside of AI then

3416
02:41:46,019 --> 02:41:45,189
I would think we have stuff there to

3417
02:41:48,689 --> 02:41:46,029
worry about

3418
02:41:50,760 --> 02:41:48,699
where Jason is saying I think we're okay

3419
02:41:52,979 --> 02:41:50,770
here you know I think there's a lot of

3420
02:41:55,340 --> 02:41:52,989
paranoia and a lot of fear and and and I

3421
02:41:57,319 --> 02:41:55,350
can agree with that I can

3422
02:42:01,040 --> 02:41:57,329
but there's the other part of it where I

3423
02:42:03,619 --> 02:42:01,050
know that there are millions and

3424
02:42:06,469 --> 02:42:03,629
hundreds of millions of dollars an

3425
02:42:10,519 --> 02:42:06,479
effort and research and coding and

3426
02:42:12,920 --> 02:42:10,529
engineers and developers that are laser

3427
02:42:17,000 --> 02:42:12,930
focused on one thing and that is

3428
02:42:20,059 --> 02:42:17,010
developing a version of you of something

3429
02:42:22,000 --> 02:42:20,069
that can think and to the point where we

3430
02:42:25,000 --> 02:42:22,010
will not be able to tell the difference

3431
02:42:29,500 --> 02:42:25,010
between what is real and what is not

3432
02:42:31,849 --> 02:42:29,510
that is the goal that is 100% the goal

3433
02:42:34,250 --> 02:42:31,859
yeah and that's a scary thought and

3434
02:42:38,659 --> 02:42:34,260
that's a scary thought for sure there's

3435
02:42:43,069 --> 02:42:38,669
there's just no way that I would ever be

3436
02:42:45,500 --> 02:42:43,079
sold on the idea like Zuckerberg was

3437
02:42:47,739 --> 02:42:45,510
presenting last month and his testimony

3438
02:42:55,219 --> 02:42:47,749
in that now were the good guys

3439
02:42:58,909 --> 02:42:55,229
everything is fine all we care about is

3440
02:43:02,229 --> 02:42:58,919
you everything is great no we don't do

3441
02:43:05,750 --> 02:43:02,239
anything evil we don't do anything bad

3442
02:43:09,079 --> 02:43:05,760
everything we do is about being good I

3443
02:43:12,290 --> 02:43:09,089
don't buy into that I mean I don't I

3444
02:43:13,670 --> 02:43:12,300
don't I mean talk about you know not

3445
02:43:15,319 --> 02:43:13,680
being transparent he didn't even want to

3446
02:43:17,210 --> 02:43:15,329
talk about what hotel he stayed at I

3447
02:43:19,069 --> 02:43:17,220
mean give me a break but we're the good

3448
02:43:20,630 --> 02:43:19,079
guys that we're here and we're here to

3449
02:43:24,010 --> 02:43:20,640
bring the world together and keep me

3450
02:43:26,869 --> 02:43:24,020
upright yeah yeah and so I had a lot of

3451
02:43:29,210 --> 02:43:26,879
difficulty with that but listening to

3452
02:43:33,199 --> 02:43:29,220
Jason tonight like I said he centers you

3453
02:43:35,599 --> 02:43:33,209
I pulls you back into into the center a

3454
02:43:37,489 --> 02:43:35,609
little bit and and I think that we need

3455
02:43:39,050 --> 02:43:37,499
to hear that because that's exactly what

3456
02:43:41,420 --> 02:43:39,060
he has been doing that's what he's been

3457
02:43:45,109 --> 02:43:41,430
writing about he understands it and he's

3458
02:43:47,090 --> 02:43:45,119
been developing AI for a long time so

3459
02:43:49,069 --> 02:43:47,100
there you go and that's my take you know

3460
02:43:51,109 --> 02:43:49,079
let's just all learn together it was a

3461
02:43:53,359 --> 02:43:51,119
great conversation I really enjoyed it

3462
02:43:55,399 --> 02:43:53,369
well the part that really resonated with

3463
02:43:58,869 --> 02:43:55,409
me when he was talking about the ability

3464
02:44:02,569 --> 02:43:58,879
to take our souls and put them into a

3465
02:44:05,109 --> 02:44:02,579
microchip you know or a USB and be able

3466
02:44:08,580 --> 02:44:05,119
to do something like that and you know

3467
02:44:10,830 --> 02:44:08,590
no one no one totally understands

3468
02:44:12,540 --> 02:44:10,840
SOLAS like he was saying so when he was

3469
02:44:14,820 --> 02:44:12,550
explaining that part of it his take on

3470
02:44:17,130 --> 02:44:14,830
it that's really what resonated with me

3471
02:44:19,710 --> 02:44:17,140
yeah there's another there's another

3472
02:44:25,650 --> 02:44:19,720
part to that and uh and and let me

3473
02:44:27,510 --> 02:44:25,660
explain cryogenics okay cryogenics

3474
02:44:31,320 --> 02:44:27,520
we all understand what it is freezing

3475
02:44:34,440 --> 02:44:31,330
your body and for the future and maybe

3476
02:44:36,599 --> 02:44:34,450
disease can be cured and then they bring

3477
02:44:38,790 --> 02:44:36,609
your body back to life and boom you get

3478
02:44:41,700 --> 02:44:38,800
another go right you get another go

3479
02:44:44,849 --> 02:44:41,710
around yeah so you know they freeze my

3480
02:44:47,219 --> 02:44:44,859
brain right you know and you know it's

3481
02:44:51,300 --> 02:44:47,229
probably not that expensive but you know

3482
02:44:53,429 --> 02:44:51,310
and and my brain gets restarted it gets

3483
02:44:56,400 --> 02:44:53,439
restarted a hundred years from now and

3484
02:45:00,980 --> 02:44:56,410
they figured out how to clone another

3485
02:45:05,030 --> 02:45:00,990
body for me right and they reattach my

3486
02:45:10,679 --> 02:45:05,040
they don't know I certainly don't know

3487
02:45:13,880 --> 02:45:10,689
who I am going to be is my soul going is

3488
02:45:19,320 --> 02:45:13,890
Jimmy going to be inside of that brain

3489
02:45:21,870 --> 02:45:19,330
my memories should be there right the

3490
02:45:22,950 --> 02:45:21,880
data storage should be there but what

3491
02:45:27,599 --> 02:45:22,960
about me

3492
02:45:31,440 --> 02:45:27,609
what about my soul you know what what

3493
02:45:33,389 --> 02:45:31,450
becomes of that is that you know and of

3494
02:45:35,880 --> 02:45:33,399
course we deal with this with a

3495
02:45:38,520 --> 02:45:35,890
spirituality and and today in

3496
02:45:40,349 --> 02:45:38,530
consciousness and and what happens when

3497
02:45:42,090 --> 02:45:40,359
you die and your soul you know what

3498
02:45:45,000 --> 02:45:42,100
happens to that part of it we know that

3499
02:45:47,969 --> 02:45:45,010
our body turns off right okay all right

3500
02:45:52,500 --> 02:45:47,979
that's all electric it turns off but if

3501
02:45:54,679 --> 02:45:52,510
my brain gets fired up again is it going

3502
02:45:56,730 --> 02:45:54,689
to be me

3503
02:45:59,130 --> 02:45:56,740
that's the core you know that's

3504
02:46:01,050 --> 02:45:59,140
interesting yeah along those lines to

3505
02:46:04,230 --> 02:46:01,060
you know kind of help you make your

3506
02:46:06,240 --> 02:46:04,240
point is not that you need help but it

3507
02:46:09,060 --> 02:46:06,250
makes me think about how when someone

3508
02:46:11,940 --> 02:46:09,070
maybe gets an organ from an organ donor

3509
02:46:13,440 --> 02:46:11,950
and that person maybe died but the new

3510
02:46:15,929 --> 02:46:13,450
person that has their organ all of a

3511
02:46:19,560 --> 02:46:15,939
sudden they start developing the habits

3512
02:46:21,961 --> 02:46:19,570
or the taste of the donor I write out so

3513
02:46:25,350 --> 02:46:21,971
I had a fader back the other day

3514
02:46:27,121 --> 02:46:25,360
that I didn't use well I won't be able

3515
02:46:28,140 --> 02:46:27,131
to use it now anyway because I'm about

3516
02:46:31,131 --> 02:46:28,150
to spill it

3517
02:46:35,390 --> 02:46:31,141
which is this there was a heart

3518
02:46:39,060 --> 02:46:35,400
transplant guy commits suicide okay

3519
02:46:42,091 --> 02:46:39,070
commit suicide I'm not gonna say how but

3520
02:46:47,930 --> 02:46:42,101
he commits suicide organ heart

3521
02:46:52,801 --> 02:46:47,940
transplant into the new recipient who

3522
02:46:56,850 --> 02:46:52,811
actually marries the wife of the dude

3523
02:47:00,470 --> 02:46:56,860
that committed suicide ten years later

3524
02:47:04,051 --> 02:47:00,480
the recipient of the heart transplant

3525
02:47:08,821 --> 02:47:04,061
committed suicide the same way that the

3526
02:47:20,220 --> 02:47:08,831
donor did and he was married to his wife

3527
02:47:24,451 --> 02:47:20,230
yeah now and so and in reading the facts

3528
02:47:27,180 --> 02:47:24,461
of the case it was it was almost too

3529
02:47:30,720 --> 02:47:27,190
much it's like there's something there

3530
02:47:33,751 --> 02:47:30,730
man I don't know I don't know but it

3531
02:47:40,531 --> 02:47:33,761
happened yeah it's a very and think

3532
02:47:44,881 --> 02:47:42,331
thank you so much Deb we'll see you

3533
02:47:46,381 --> 02:47:44,891
tomorrow night on the show okay Jamie

3534
02:47:49,171 --> 02:47:46,391
take care thank you have a great night

3535
02:47:52,921 --> 02:47:49,181
that's a great conversation right there

3536
02:47:55,291 --> 02:47:52,931
with Deb let's go back to the phones

3537
02:47:57,091 --> 02:47:55,301
here let's see area code three six zero

3538
02:48:08,631 --> 02:47:57,101
you're up next on fade to black who's

3539
02:48:22,741 --> 02:48:11,430
that's your throne you need to go see a

3540
02:48:25,281 --> 02:48:22,751
doctor anyway so long but see what the

3541
02:48:27,511 --> 02:48:25,291
last lady said and the sole thing yeah

3542
02:48:30,180 --> 02:48:27,521
there isn't any way you're gonna get a

3543
02:48:31,921 --> 02:48:30,190
soul we jump into a damn ship and I

3544
02:48:33,600 --> 02:48:31,931
can't see that I mean we're

3545
02:48:35,490 --> 02:48:33,610
multi-dimensional selves what are we

3546
02:48:42,650 --> 02:48:35,500
going to do in a damn ship that's

3547
02:48:45,750 --> 02:48:42,660
fun but also I wanted to talk about the

3548
02:48:50,160 --> 02:48:45,760
prediction that was made on a might to

3549
02:48:53,130 --> 02:48:50,170
my question last week and I've come

3550
02:48:55,610 --> 02:48:53,140
across data that says that Mother's has

3551
02:48:58,880 --> 02:48:55,620
already ascended to her

3552
02:49:03,570 --> 02:48:58,890
multi-dimensional fifth dimensional self

3553
02:49:07,710 --> 02:49:03,580
so it's us that are how do you get the

3554
02:49:12,510 --> 02:49:07,720
information well as through two sources

3555
02:49:16,730 --> 02:49:12,520
Lisa transcendence Braun who claimed

3556
02:49:21,090 --> 02:49:16,740
that she's there that she can go there

3557
02:49:24,600 --> 02:49:21,100
already and the other one was James

3558
02:49:28,530 --> 02:49:24,610
Tiburon in a talk that he gave recently

3559
02:49:31,560 --> 02:49:28,540
on earth keepers so I mean yeah it's not

3560
02:49:32,910 --> 02:49:31,570
like a scientific thing no I'm not

3561
02:49:34,440 --> 02:49:32,920
saying that I just want to know where

3562
02:49:36,750 --> 02:49:34,450
you got the information from you said

3563
02:49:42,450 --> 02:49:36,760
you got information that were already

3564
02:49:44,790 --> 02:49:42,460
there right yeah no well we haven't

3565
02:49:46,320 --> 02:49:44,800
actually talked to mothers myself which

3566
02:49:48,660 --> 02:49:46,330
is what I should have done anyway and

3567
02:49:50,250 --> 02:49:48,670
not asked anybody else I don't know why

3568
02:49:52,740 --> 02:49:50,260
I even asked that question now that I

3569
02:49:54,570 --> 02:49:52,750
thought about it well I get anyway get

3570
02:49:57,270 --> 02:49:54,580
back to the I'm sorry go ahead

3571
02:49:58,890 --> 02:49:57,280
that your own information that's all you

3572
02:50:00,540 --> 02:49:58,900
got to do your right just go back to the

3573
02:50:07,800 --> 02:50:00,550
source ask Gaia

3574
02:50:12,420 --> 02:50:07,810
what's up and write about it or give a

3575
02:50:17,970 --> 02:50:12,430
call and when I do that but to this day

3576
02:50:21,450 --> 02:50:17,980
I think that's just I mean II didn't

3577
02:50:25,200 --> 02:50:21,460
talk about Sophia and I definitely had

3578
02:50:27,060 --> 02:50:25,210
heard about it I to VI programs like

3579
02:50:29,070 --> 02:50:27,070
communicating with each other in a

3580
02:50:31,530 --> 02:50:29,080
different language they created

3581
02:50:35,760 --> 02:50:31,540
themselves yeah yeah her story of that

3582
02:50:38,940 --> 02:50:35,770
yeah that was last year yes yeah so some

3583
02:50:41,930 --> 02:50:38,950
strange stuff is going on there and you

3584
02:50:48,060 --> 02:50:41,940
know and then Corey good talks about the

3585
02:50:49,591 --> 02:50:48,070
AI that it's a secret space program and

3586
02:50:52,740 --> 02:50:49,601
most of the other

3587
02:50:55,350 --> 02:50:52,750
benign societies are trying to combat

3588
02:50:57,511 --> 02:50:55,360
and they think that the what is it the

3589
02:51:02,610 --> 02:50:57,521
Draco's are the ones that are controlled

3590
02:51:06,270 --> 02:51:02,620
by the CI and see and then I heard on

3591
02:51:10,110 --> 02:51:06,280
that one another channel that's talking

3592
02:51:13,950 --> 02:51:10,120
about an AI clouds it's just outside of

3593
02:51:19,200 --> 02:51:13,960
our solar system hmm kind of hang it out

3594
02:51:21,751 --> 02:51:19,210
there so what a big deal there is to

3595
02:51:24,421 --> 02:51:21,761
have the big solar flash that will just

3596
02:51:27,150 --> 02:51:24,431
you know pry all that stuff so we're not

3597
02:51:34,020 --> 02:51:27,160
gonna have any a high we're gonna have

3598
02:51:39,631 --> 02:51:34,030
to start all over yeah I'm um my my

3599
02:51:43,530 --> 02:51:39,641
thing is and and many sci-fi riders have

3600
02:51:46,350 --> 02:51:43,540
talked about this but the ability for a

3601
02:51:50,730 --> 02:51:46,360
sci-fi writer science fiction writer to

3602
02:51:53,970 --> 02:51:50,740
to put this stuff down but then to have

3603
02:51:57,961 --> 02:51:53,980
it actually eventually play itself out

3604
02:52:00,511 --> 02:51:57,971
in that all you have to do is plant the

3605
02:52:02,910 --> 02:52:00,521
seed of an idea and the seed of an idea

3606
02:52:04,801 --> 02:52:02,920
is something like Terminator 2 or

3607
02:52:08,910 --> 02:52:04,811
machines taking over the world and

3608
02:52:10,230 --> 02:52:08,920
robots and computers and they all you

3609
02:52:14,430 --> 02:52:10,240
have to do is plant the seed of the idea

3610
02:52:17,270 --> 02:52:14,440
for that and then you go and and invent

3611
02:52:21,120 --> 02:52:17,280
it that's all you got to do satellites

3612
02:52:25,501 --> 02:52:21,130
telecommunications cell phones streaming

3613
02:52:26,910 --> 02:52:25,511
video Dick Tracy video watching all you

3614
02:52:30,780 --> 02:52:26,920
have to do is plant the seed of the idea

3615
02:52:33,270 --> 02:52:30,790
and then they go and create it and so

3616
02:52:35,280 --> 02:52:33,280
when it comes to AI and we we're talking

3617
02:52:38,041 --> 02:52:35,290
about this kind of machine learning and

3618
02:52:40,950 --> 02:52:38,051
in the ability in the Hal 9000 computer

3619
02:52:43,860 --> 02:52:40,960
in 2001 well then they're gonna go and

3620
02:52:47,761 --> 02:52:43,870
invent it they're gonna go and and you

3621
02:52:50,011 --> 02:52:47,771
give them the idea for an EMF well you

3622
02:52:51,990 --> 02:52:50,021
know look at Star Trek and everything

3623
02:52:54,961 --> 02:52:52,000
that was in Star Trek they're working on

3624
02:52:59,220 --> 02:52:54,971
today from not only teleportation but

3625
02:53:00,791 --> 02:52:59,230
look at the communicators and and you

3626
02:53:03,430 --> 02:53:00,801
know

3627
02:53:07,030 --> 02:53:03,440
exotic engines and propulsion systems

3628
02:53:09,671 --> 02:53:07,040
and so forth so anyway you you put that

3629
02:53:13,230 --> 02:53:09,681
idea out there and now you talk about

3630
02:53:16,421 --> 02:53:13,240
the singularity and and the point of

3631
02:53:19,871 --> 02:53:16,431
it's gonna happen you only have to put

3632
02:53:22,301 --> 02:53:19,881
the idea out there the and it germinates

3633
02:53:25,511 --> 02:53:22,311
in a petri dish and the next thing you

3634
02:53:29,381 --> 02:53:25,521
know so to say that the singularity is

3635
02:53:32,501 --> 02:53:29,391
not possible the fear of for me for

3636
02:53:36,491 --> 02:53:32,511
machine learning to take place and they

3637
02:53:38,831 --> 02:53:36,501
they suddenly surpass us at that point

3638
02:53:40,930 --> 02:53:38,841
being able to teach themselves and

3639
02:53:44,350 --> 02:53:40,940
acquire knowledge through a vast network

3640
02:53:47,940 --> 02:53:44,360
of data that it's interconnected on

3641
02:53:52,110 --> 02:53:47,950
server farms around the world and learn

3642
02:53:56,350 --> 02:53:52,120
learn math and learn physics and and and

3643
02:53:58,390 --> 02:53:56,360
and biology and ever just just learn

3644
02:54:00,491 --> 02:53:58,400
everything and take science to the next

3645
02:54:02,921 --> 02:54:00,501
level and and knowledge to the next

3646
02:54:05,801 --> 02:54:02,931
level and design to the next level and

3647
02:54:06,701 --> 02:54:05,811
do it by themselves without us that's a

3648
02:54:09,671 --> 02:54:06,711
scary thought

3649
02:54:13,001 --> 02:54:09,681
and what they could learn automatically

3650
02:54:16,001 --> 02:54:13,011
in 24 hours in 48 hours

3651
02:54:18,701 --> 02:54:16,011
not in a hundred years we've been

3652
02:54:21,331 --> 02:54:18,711
acquiring this knowledge for 5,000 years

3653
02:54:26,560 --> 02:54:21,341
right 5,000 years got us to the moon

3654
02:54:30,131 --> 02:54:26,570
right well or longer but a machine

3655
02:54:34,871 --> 02:54:30,141
learning situation of singularity that

3656
02:54:39,600 --> 02:54:34,881
knowledge gets by the nanosecond by the

3657
02:54:42,850 --> 02:54:39,610
nanosecond just multitudes magnitudes of

3658
02:54:45,610 --> 02:54:42,860
knowledge it's that's a crazy thought to

3659
02:54:49,631 --> 02:54:45,620
me so they've got that at quantum

3660
02:54:51,850 --> 02:54:49,641
computer the d3 or I can't remember the

3661
02:54:52,511 --> 02:54:51,860
exact name of this there's so many of

3662
02:54:55,390 --> 02:54:52,521
them now

3663
02:54:57,730 --> 02:54:55,400
I mean China's got Billy the badass does

3664
02:55:00,131 --> 02:54:57,740
quantum computer right now but listen I

3665
02:55:02,230 --> 02:55:00,141
fill a bicolor one I got a run

3666
02:55:03,820 --> 02:55:02,240
I got a rogue a rat the end of the show

3667
02:55:05,951 --> 02:55:03,830
so I'll see you tomorrow all right man

3668
02:55:08,350 --> 02:55:05,961
take care of it you know see what Thank

3669
02:55:11,770 --> 02:55:08,360
You Philip I

3670
02:55:15,669 --> 02:55:11,780
he's Philip Philip as he should be you

3671
02:55:23,139 --> 02:55:19,869
be aware be aware I don't know everybody

3672
02:55:25,179 --> 02:55:23,149
talks about the that infamous on/off

3673
02:55:28,689 --> 02:55:25,189
switch when it comes to these

3674
02:55:32,199 --> 02:55:28,699
capabilities you know where can we do it

3675
02:55:36,939 --> 02:55:32,209
and where should where should it be put

3676
02:55:39,339 --> 02:55:36,949
and then at the moment of necessity flip

3677
02:55:43,059 --> 02:55:39,349
that and turn everything off is it

3678
02:55:45,519 --> 02:55:43,069
possible you know and to think how we

3679
02:55:53,319 --> 02:55:45,529
don't have to worry about that no we do

3680
02:55:57,459 --> 02:55:53,329
we absolutely do i I don't want there to

3681
02:56:00,489 --> 02:55:57,469
be some central core out there that is

3682
02:56:02,739 --> 02:56:00,499
very very smart and connected that can

3683
02:56:05,019 --> 02:56:02,749
run things and I'm talking about

3684
02:56:07,919 --> 02:56:05,029
nanobots and I'm talking about drones

3685
02:56:10,449 --> 02:56:07,929
and I'm talking about robots and and

3686
02:56:13,869 --> 02:56:10,459
manufacturing and electricity and food

3687
02:56:16,599 --> 02:56:13,879
and if all that can be controlled by

3688
02:56:21,669 --> 02:56:16,609
somebody that is not controllable when I

3689
02:56:24,129 --> 02:56:21,679
say somebody I'm talking about AI I'm

3690
02:56:27,699 --> 02:56:24,139
just not so sure we we need to be

3691
02:56:31,089 --> 02:56:27,709
relaxed about that I'm gonna continue to

3692
02:56:35,669 --> 02:56:31,099
be paranoid I have to be and so should

3693
02:56:39,099 --> 02:56:35,679
all of us technology is a good thing the

3694
02:56:41,949 --> 02:56:39,109
ability for us to do this show and how

3695
02:56:46,119 --> 02:56:41,959
we do it is part of the technology that

3696
02:56:49,029 --> 02:56:46,129
I embrace this family is connected every

3697
02:56:51,129 --> 02:56:49,039
single night by the technology that we

3698
02:56:53,859 --> 02:56:51,139
need to also be a little bit you know

3699
02:56:56,139 --> 02:56:53,869
worried about and I think that's healthy

3700
02:56:58,779 --> 02:56:56,149
this is fade to black I'm your host

3701
02:57:01,839 --> 02:56:58,789
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3702
02:57:03,669 --> 02:57:01,849
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3703
02:57:05,439 --> 02:57:03,679
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3704
02:57:08,649 --> 02:57:05,449
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3705
02:57:10,629 --> 02:57:08,659
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3706
02:57:12,399 --> 02:57:10,639
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3707
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3708
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02:57:39,610 --> 02:57:37,069
game-changer network it cannot be

3718
02:57:41,740 --> 02:57:39,620
rebroadcast downloaded copied or used

3719
02:57:43,630 --> 02:57:41,750
anywhere in the known universe without

3720
02:57:45,550 --> 02:57:43,640
written permission from fade to black of

3721
02:57:47,950 --> 02:57:45,560
the game-changer network i'm your host

3722
02:57:50,020 --> 02:57:47,960
jimmy church tomorrow night it's gonna

3723
02:57:51,059 --> 02:57:50,030
be a great night I'm gonna introduce you

3724
02:57:55,420 --> 02:57:51,069
to Tracy

3725
02:57:58,150 --> 02:57:55,430
Garvin until then I want everybody to be

3726
02:58:11,880 --> 02:57:58,160
safe go back Lee tappy